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Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Originally Posted by drujinin

I just got an 80 cu from Airgas with PraxAir name on the ring!
This is handy because there is (was?) a PraxAir about 30 miles from here.
Air Gas is 24 miles.

The 80's are anybodies game. Names mean nothing to any of them on the 80's. You are never committed to the name on the neck ring whatsoever for a 80 because they are all customer owned and they intermingle and interchange freely.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

I happy you got your tanks
Most my tanks I own for last 35 years. Only have 4 tanks own/exchange type. Here they own exchange type no rental. But I payed full price.

I have had ship foot steel parts to Hawaii, Alaska is just as bad for shipping.

Dave

Originally Posted by Ingenuity

As per my reply at post #39 from 2 weeks ago:

=> UPDATE:

My e-Bay purchase of a 80 CF argon cylinder was cancelled by the seller as they would not ship to Hawaii.

Local Craigslist has some used cylinders but they looked like they were leased units someone was selling illegally.

I ended up purchasing from IOC in Indiana for $195 (https://www.weldingsuppliesfromioc.c...lium-and-mixes), for delivery to my freight forwarder in California, for ocean freight to Hawaii. $195 each 80 cf cylinder, free shipping to California. My freight forwarder charge was $106 from California to Hawaii for one cylinder and $107 for two cylinders. I decided to purchase two 80 CF cylinders and, total cost for the 2 is about $500, delivered to me.

If I leased/rented a cylinder from AirGas here the daily rental/lease if $1.30 per day, so after 1 year it would have been near $500 for only 1 cylinder. Purchase was a better deal.

My 2 cylinders arrive this Friday.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Originally Posted by smithdoor

So what did you buy for a tank.

Dave

As per my reply at post #39 from 2 weeks ago:

=> UPDATE:

My e-Bay purchase of a 80 CF argon cylinder was cancelled by the seller as they would not ship to Hawaii.

Local Craigslist has some used cylinders but they looked like they were leased units someone was selling illegally.

I ended up purchasing from IOC in Indiana for $195 (https://www.weldingsuppliesfromioc.c...lium-and-mixes), for delivery to my freight forwarder in California, for ocean freight to Hawaii. $195 each 80 cf cylinder, free shipping to California. My freight forwarder charge was $106 from California to Hawaii for one cylinder and $107 for two cylinders. I decided to purchase two 80 CF cylinders and, total cost for the 2 is about $500, delivered to me.

If I leased/rented a cylinder from AirGas here the daily rental/lease if $1.30 per day, so after 1 year it would have been near $500 for only 1 cylinder. Purchase was a better deal.

My 2 cylinders arrive this Friday.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

So what did you buy for a tank.

Dave

Originally Posted by Ingenuity

My LWS's (Matheson and Airgas) sells 60 cf gas cylinders for more than $230 each, and I noticed that eBay has new 80 cf for $205, including delivery.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/80-CF-WELDI...1&isGTR=1#shId

More than 900 sold and 99% positive reviews.

Anyone on WW purchased/used these cylinders?

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

I just got an 80 cu from Airgas with PraxAir name on the ring!
This is handy because there is (was?) a PraxAir about 30 miles from here.
Air Gas is 24 miles.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Just do want someone buying yard art.
So doing CPR on a horse saves money
Now all we is someone to do mouth to mouth on a horse.

Not me

Originally Posted by danielplace

Beating a very dead horse here.

If you know what you are looking at it is perfectly fine to acquire welding cylinders used second hand.

You are missing the plan entirely. YOU NEVER take a expired tank to get it filled not a used one you just bought and not even your own unless you are in love with the tank or something. You exchange it where they do exchanges.
Buying a used out of date is no different than one of your own expiring. Are you expecting your tank to fail and only get 10 years out of one because they just fail all the time. That isn't the case.
You would be dumb to take a expired tank to get it filled. You have to pay the hydro then yourself and one of yours that needs hydro could fail just as easily as a used one that expired. No difference. Good thing is if tank is in good cosmetic condition on the outside it has a really good chance it will pass. Have you seen how old some tanks are. 50-60 years some of them still passing hydro.
But to avoid that if expired you simply take the tank it and get it exchanged where they exchange and then you don't even have that tank anymore.




The laptop is Windows 10 running Microsoft edge. Fine this morning of course. I usually didn't get the 502 forever but it was like a hour it wouldn't load page 2. It was just telling me to give up on convincing someone used tanks can be purchased with little risk if you know what your looking at.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Originally Posted by smithdoor

Taking about getting a tank filled.
If tank fails test then you have yard art. Part test is if it stamp and meets DOT spec.
So own a tank that can not be filled.

Dave

Beating a very dead horse here.

If you know what you are looking at it is perfectly fine to acquire welding cylinders used second hand.

You are missing the plan entirely. YOU NEVER take a expired tank to get it filled not a used one you just bought and not even your own unless you are in love with the tank or something. You exchange it where they do exchanges.
Buying a used out of date is no different than one of your own expiring. Are you expecting your tank to fail and only get 10 years out of one because they just fail all the time. That isn't the case.
You would be dumb to take a expired tank to get it filled. You have to pay the hydro then yourself and one of yours that needs hydro could fail just as easily as a used one that expired. No difference. Good thing is if tank is in good cosmetic condition on the outside it has a really good chance it will pass. Have you seen how old some tanks are. 50-60 years some of them still passing hydro.
But to avoid that if expired you simply take the tank it and get it exchanged where they exchange and then you don't even have that tank anymore.

Originally Posted by ronsii

Usually when I get 502's it is on windows laptop running firefox... and most of the time I can switch modes in firefox to emulate a phone/tablet/kindle,etc... and get the page to show up... but not always... one trick to remember is if you get 502'd on a laptop go back then go to the bottom of the screen and change the style to MOBILE style... then you'll be able to see the page(probably) of course it will be in mobi format... one other thing you can do is go to a previous page....ie... page 1 if page 2 gave you the error... then REPLY a post up... this will NOT work if page 2 is already at 25 replies because then your REPLY post will start page 3 and not have changed page 2.... the key thing is changing the page that does not work... at least that usually seems to work

The laptop is Windows 10 running Microsoft edge. Fine this morning of course. I usually didn't get the 502 forever but it was like a hour it wouldn't load page 2. It was just telling me to give up on convincing someone used tanks can be purchased with little risk if you know what your looking at.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Originally Posted by danielplace

On it now but I changed devices too.
In bed on phone. Earier 502 was on laptop.

Usually when I get 502's it is on windows laptop running firefox... and most of the time I can switch modes in firefox to emulate a phone/tablet/kindle,etc... and get the page to show up... but not always... one trick to remember is if you get 502'd on a laptop go back then go to the bottom of the screen and change the style to MOBILE style... then you'll be able to see the page(probably) of course it will be in mobi format... one other thing you can do is go to a previous page....ie... page 1 if page 2 gave you the error... then REPLY a post up... this will NOT work if page 2 is already at 25 replies because then your REPLY post will start page 3 and not have changed page 2.... the key thing is changing the page that does not work... at least that usually seems to work

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Originally Posted by ronsii

502 test post

On it now but I changed devices too.
In bed on phone. Earier 502 was on laptop.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

502 test post

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Taking about getting a tank filled.
If tank fails test then you have yard art. Part test is if it stamp and meets DOT spec.
So own a tank that can not be filled.

Dave

Originally Posted by danielplace

If it was their tank you wouldn't own it they would and it would be a lease/rental bottle. If that is all they would fill/exchange you are at the wrong place for certain. Buy a new tank with their name on it you are really not smart as you just bought THEM a tank. You will only be able to do fill exchange it at their business and completely worthless for resale.

A customer owned tank is a customer owned tank no matter where it came from or where you are taking it. They will exchange or fill either one just the same at any supply house of Praxair, Airgas or Matheson that I have ever visited all over state of Florida at least.

I have no less than 20 tanks and any one of them can be taken anywhere for fill or exchange. BECAUSE I OWN THEM. Almost every one was purchased used.

Real simple stuff. Blank or "Customer Owned" neck ring on anything 125 cu ft or bigger is customer owned. The 150 cu ft is also a customer owned bottle regardless of neck ring. Everything smaller than 125 cu ft is customer owned regardless of neck ring.



Sounds like a new tank just as risky, eh ? Heard that before that the ones from Harbor Freight are ISO and some places will not fill them.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Originally Posted by ezduzit

Cyberweld has a good price on a 60 cu ft tank. Perfect addition to your big tanks if you need portability.

Then you just buy a high pressure hose and fill them yourself off your 250's or 330's so you don't get robbed on refills for the little guy.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Cyberweld has a good price on a 60 cu ft tank. Perfect addition to your big tanks if you need portability.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Originally Posted by smithdoor

If your gas supplier and tank is for exchange.
But if you are buying a tank and it is not exchange it is best to buy new tank or may or may have costly yard art.
Very old or from other parts of world are not DOT and can not get tank filled.

Most gas suppliers want buy there tank for exchange.

But like gambling buy use.

Dave

If it was their tank you wouldn't own it they would and it would be a lease/rental bottle. If that is all they would fill/exchange you are at the wrong place for certain. Buy a new tank with their name on it you are really not smart as you just bought THEM a tank. You will only be able to do fill exchange it at their business and completely worthless for resale.

A customer owned tank is a customer owned tank no matter where it came from or where you are taking it. They will exchange or fill either one just the same at any supply house of Praxair, Airgas or Matheson that I have ever visited all over state of Florida at least.

I have no less than 20 tanks and any one of them can be taken anywhere for fill or exchange. BECAUSE I OWN THEM. Almost every one was purchased used.

Real simple stuff. Blank or "Customer Owned" neck ring on anything 125 cu ft or bigger is customer owned. The 150 cu ft is also a customer owned bottle regardless of neck ring. Everything smaller than 125 cu ft is customer owned regardless of neck ring.

Originally Posted by ezduzit

My local Airgas refused to fill a brand new tank which had ISO, but no DOT stamp.

Make sure your new tank has this DOT stamp.

Sounds like a new tank just as risky, eh ? Heard that before that the ones from Harbor Freight are ISO and some places will not fill them.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

If your gas supplier and tank is for exchange.
But if you are buying a tank and it is not exchange it is best to buy new tank or may or may have costly yard art.
Very old or from other parts of world are not DOT and can not get tank filled.

Most gas suppliers want buy there tank for exchange.

But like gambling buy use.

Dave

Originally Posted by danielplace

What, every used tank is automatically out of date ? You can't see the date for your self and decide to buy or not ? Even if it needed a hydro it doesn't make a bit of difference at majority of suppliers. They are all almost on exchange program.

You exchange them so nobody even looks at the date and doesn't matter anyhow if it is out of date they still exchange it and they pay for the hydro it needs. All part of exchange program.

If it fails a hydro they own it now so who cares. It is usually only grossly rusted cylinders that fail hydro when they should have been rejected based on precheck visual examination of the cylinder already. In any case they eat any that fail. They sure as heck don't put your name on the tank and call you up later to tell you a cylinder you exchanged last month just failed hydro. They all go into the inventory pool. If one gets trashed they don't care as that cost is figured in already.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Originally Posted by rexcormack

...my LWS told me that no gas supplier can refuse to fill or exchange an ISO cylinder, even though some will try out of ignorance.

My local Airgas refused to fill a brand new tank which had ISO, but no DOT stamp.

Make sure your new tank has this DOT stamp.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Originally Posted by smithdoor

Only buy new.
Used tank's may fail the test and then have yard art.

Dave

What, every used tank is automatically out of date ? You can't see the date for your self and decide to buy or not ? Even if it needed a hydro it doesn't make a bit of difference at majority of suppliers. They are all almost on exchange program.

You exchange them so nobody even looks at the date and doesn't matter anyhow if it is out of date they still exchange it and they pay for the hydro it needs. All part of exchange program.

If it fails a hydro they own it now so who cares. It is usually only grossly rusted cylinders that fail hydro when they should have been rejected based on precheck visual examination of the cylinder already. In any case they eat any that fail. They sure as heck don't put your name on the tank and call you up later to tell you a cylinder you exchanged last month just failed hydro. They all go into the inventory pool. If one gets trashed they don't care as that cost is figured in already.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Only buy new.
Used tank's may fail the test and then have yard art.

Dave

Originally Posted by Ingenuity

My LWS's (Matheson and Airgas) sells 60 cf gas cylinders for more than $230 each, and I noticed that eBay has new 80 cf for $205, including delivery.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/80-CF-WELDI...1&isGTR=1#shId

More than 900 sold and 99% positive reviews.

Anyone on WW purchased/used these cylinders?

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Originally Posted by edgephoto

Why buy a new cylinder? My local gas supplier only does exchanges. If you buy a nice shiny new cylinder you get a different one in return. Also after a period of time the cylinder needs to be tested.

Just go to your local supplier and buy a tank filled. Then when you need gas you only pay for the fill and they just swap tanks with you.

That is what you do if the price is not a problem but when you can buy second hand 125 and 250 cylinders used for $100 -$150 why would you not do that. Like you said don't matter they are swapping it out anyhow.

I have never been charged for a out of date hydro at any place that swaps cylinders.

That would never work. Are they going to pay you when you bring in a cylinder with a brand new date and they give you back one with only 3 years left. They all do not care or charge for hydro's ever at any one of at least 6 suppliers I have done business with over the years.


The local supplier will charge more than online. If it was that simple nobody would ever have a issue getting a cylinder at a good deal. It is cheaper to buy new or refurbished than buy one from them 99% of the time.

Otherwise the answer to tank/gas would always be just go to gas supplier and buy one from them. That is not really the best answer unless you must have it now today at any cost. If you have even a few days finding a cylinder used isn't that difficult in most areas.

Craigslist is full of them all the time.

https://miami.craigslist.org/search/...tanks&sort=rel

$140 for 125 cu ft with gas.

https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/tls...181302852.html

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Why buy a new cylinder? My local gas supplier only does exchanges. If you buy a nice shiny new cylinder you get a different one in return. Also after a period of time the cylinder needs to be tested.

Just go to your local supplier and buy a tank filled. Then when you need gas you only pay for the fill and they just swap tanks with you.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

=> UPDATE:

My e-Bay purchase of a 80 CF argon cylinder was cancelled by the seller as they would not ship to Hawaii.

Local Craigslist has some used cylinders but they looked like they were leased units someone was selling illegally.

I ended up purchasing from IOC in Indiana for $195 (https://www.weldingsuppliesfromioc.c...lium-and-mixes), for delivery to my freight forwarder in California, for ocean freight to Hawaii. $195 each 80 cf cylinder, free shipping to California. My freight forwarder charge was $106 from California to Hawaii for one cylinder and $107 for two cylinders. I decided to purchase two 80 CF cylinders and, total cost for the 2 is about $500, delivered to me.

If I leased/rented a cylinder from AirGas here the daily rental/lease if $1.30 per day, so after 1 year it would have been near $500 for only 1 cylinder. Purchase was a better deal.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Check the local mom n pop places( if Airgas hasn’t ruined them yet and put the, out of business). You may be surprised. That 125 is going to pay for itself in a few years with the [emoji82] prices everyone is charging to fill the small ones.
See what Indiana Oxygen is selling too. That shipping looks like a deal breaker to me.......


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Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

I feel for you guys! I have zero problems with any of this crap locally. I can buy anything up to 125 ft³ and swap in whatever so long as the hydrotest is good. Some of those prices are rediculous!

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

Originally Posted by Ingenuity

Are DOT-stamped vs ISO-stamped customer-owner cylinders treated as equal for refilling and transportation purposes?

ISO stamped cylinders conform to all DOT specs and then some.
I purchased an ISO stamped cylinder and my LWS told me that no gas supplier can refuse to fill or exchange an ISO cylinder, even though some will try out of ignorance.

Re: 80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

I've been keeping an eye on these. They regularly sell for 79.99 + 42 shipping. If you don't want to bid he sells them outright and has a best offer option. I did confirm these have a good date, and dot stamp.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/402369869657

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