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Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

, naw, i was playin about the food bill , partly to see how u'd react. the important thing ur welder works, so all in all, its a happy ending for everyone involved

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

ha, wait, I said I would buy everyone lunch. I only know that albright-tree is actually within driving distance, and if anyone else is, I will gladly treat them to a meal! You did mention green balled tungsten, absolutely, much thanks. I hope you didn't misconstrue any of my writing at all during this whole troubleshooting process, I never laughed you off; not at all. Maybe I didn't fully understand or comprehend what you had meant and therefore I was incorrect in skipping past it. yes, you did instigate me to make the videos, absolutely, much much thanks!

I am very grateful for all your help and everyone help), I probably wouldn't give over credit card info, but if you have paypal, I am more than willing to show my appreciation and send ya a "thank you". Send me a PM if ya want.

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

Originally Posted by IROCZman15

Fantastic! Thank you guys. Man, I wish there was a way I could buy you all lunch for all the help troubleshooting this issue! Wait, albrighttree is nearby, maybe I can start there?!?! I mean it, Friday? pizza?

Ok, good to know about the green tungsten and the balled end. I have mad

ok, wait. it was me on previous page that told u about green balled tungsten. 2nd, problem/mystery woulda been solved a month prior if u didnt laugh me off, when i provided a link/fix for ur o-ring/connection problem, and set it up the way i do mine. 3rd, i believe it was me that caused u to make the video. 4th, i remeber more than a couple times, picking this thread up when it was going off the 24hr list. i faithfully stuck w/ u consistantly. So wheres my Pizza ?? the sports lounge i go to, know what i like when i come through the door. first thing they do is turn the tennis channel on, pour a piture, make a ceasar salad and a mini pizza w/ pepperoni and pinapple. they have phone, do u have a credit card ?

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

Fantastic! Thank you guys. Man, I wish there was a way I could buy you all lunch for all the help troubleshooting this issue! Wait, albrighttree is nearby, maybe I can start there?!?! I mean it, Friday? pizza?

Ok, good to know about the green tungsten and the balled end. I have made it a habit not to sharpen the green tungstens so that they can specifically stay dedicated to aluminum AC welding. The blue tungstens I will plan on keeping sharpened to a pointed tip so that they can be dedicated to DCEnegative for steel tig welding. I will just take some time out one day and sharpen all the blue ones so that they are ready to go.

As for posting some projects/videos, that is a good idea. I hadn't explored those sections of this welding forum yet, as I was basically focusing on troubleshooting the machines and getting the components. But you are right, now that I have everything pretty well sorted out, I can focus on some project stuff. This wintertime a big welding project will be building a full 4" diameter exhaust for the camaro, with all sorts of bends, pie-cuts, and welded on v-band clamps. As for some racing videos, I have a bunch, but since I am not a computer savvy guy, I don't spend much time editing video or making them all fancy. I just kinda upload the raw video to YouTube and call it done. My Youtube channel is the same username I have here: IROCZman15
link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ_...SGrqmkSUqr0Ltg

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

Nice job, looks like your getting the hang of it. Yes, being comfortable really helps you improve your welding. Having props to keep your hand steady and in position when welding is very helpful too.

" Question, I have seen some people say to just have a rolled/balled tungsten tip for welding aluminum, and others seem to have a pointed end. Whats the best? "

When TIG welding aluminum with a transformer welder(AC-HF) pure tungsten(green) is commonly used with out a shaped tungsten (it will ball on its own, our you can pre-ball with a copper bar). You can also use other tungstens, like gold (1.5% lanthanted?) it can take a little more heat than green(pure). Others here have their favorites for differing reason ie. wave form, machine, gas type, type of aluminum. Some how over the years, I have wound up with at least 4 packages of 3/32" green(pure) tungstens. I'm not sure what type of waveform your machine is, but when your running 1/4" aluminum on a transformer welder you might want use an 1/8" tungsten if your running green tungsten. The green isn't as good with the higher amps. It will tend to erode, and act funny as it burns back into the cup. At least that is what I have observed in my transformer machines. My Syncrowave 180, Econotwin HF, and Airco 250 Heliwelder, are all transformer welders, run green, and gold tungstens well with a balled end.

Well, now you have a pair of really good welders covering MIG, TIG, stick. So you can post up some projects when complete some. You can also post up stuff in the automotive section even if its not welding. Your videos are pretty good , you should post some short ones from the races you go to.

Thanks for sharing

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

Thanks!!! Will do.
I had been pretty busy recently with traveling out of state and racing the car, along with a normal work week so i haven't had a chance to play with the welder since about Tuesday of last week. So, today after work, I decided to take an hour and try to work on my travel speed and distance. I have been watching some really informative welding videos on youtube and wanted to start to practice some of the stuff. Just after I finished today, I grabbed an old barstool to use for me to sit on while I weld. The chair I had used was way too low for my work bench and I was literally eye level with the vice/bench. On the other hand, when i was standing to tig weld, I had to work the foot-pedal with one foot, which left all my body-weight balancing on my opposite foot. Obviously this is very unsteady and silly. So, I now have a barstool which puts me at a great height and hopefully I can now get more "comfortable" with my arms and posture.



i decided to film a short video of the welder in action:




and a video when i was done making some test passes on this aluminum coupon:




Question, I have seen some people say to just have a rolled/balled tungsten tip for welding aluminum, and others seem to have a pointed end. Whats the best?



As mentioned, I was trying to see the difference in travel speed, arc distance, and torch angle. Standing up makes me dip the tungsten more frequently, so I hope the barstool will help me to not dip so often.

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

How exciting --- good deals! I'm envious! Keep posting pics of your progress/use of the old guys please. It's really interesting!

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

This is fantastic information, you guys on this website have been excellent. Thank you for all of this information, from day 1 when I first got the welders home, to where I am at now, it has been quite an adventure.. but it is heading in a very good direction. Thank you all.

I went over to jersey Sheetmetal in Dover. I have bought some aluminum and steel from them before when I was doing fabrication projects in recent years and the guy usually just says gimmie a few dollars cash etc. Sadly, the guy was not in that day and nobody else was authorized to make a deal with me. So that was a minor inconvenience, but in the grand scheme of things, turns out it wasn't immediately necessary for me to continue with my troubleshooting process. The company I work for does use Jersey Sheetmetal for a lot of aluminum cabinets, shelves, pre-made complex storage boxes etc, so I was really just hoping to find out what type of aluminum they use on these projects, because I take home lots of little scraps or cutoffs. So basically I am getting my scraps from Jersey Sheetmetal already, but I didn't know what kind of aluminum it was, neither does my boss, so I was going to ask Jersey Sheetmetal that day and also ask for some 6061 if they could sell me any for $20 or so.

That's awesome to know about the place right by the dragstrip. I had no idea of it! Anytime I am in that area, I am usually in the camaro and going racing at the track. However, if I ever plan on going to spectate for an event, I will make it a point to call ahead and possibly stop by Ed's Trading post. Cool!

I have driven past Kenvil Welding so many times and thought about stopping by. Often times I will be going to the tree/brush recycling place that shares the same driveway. I think there is also a welding shop at the top of the hill in Mine Hill on rt 46, and they make like iron gates and such.

Thats awesome to know that you also have some metal 'treasure" if I ever find myself in a bind and looking for something unusual. I appreciate you letting me know. If I am on rt 206 and not in a rush to get anywhere quick, I will take a look for your factory. Hopefully I can remember this.


I came home from work yesterday and had a quick 30 minutes of free time so I excitedly fired up the Tig welder on some scrap pieces. I am learning a whole lot and have to focus a lot more on arc length, puddle control, and pedal. But wow, this is neat.... and I have along long way to go still!

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

Glad to see you got it going. I think green is pure tungsten, which should be ok on your machine (transformer, non-inverter).

Where did you go for aluminum, Jersey Sheet Metal in Dover ? I used to use them, when I needed large quantity of sheet metal premade. Most of the time I use the Ed's Trading Post in Great Meadows. It's right across the street from the go-go bar just before the turn for the Race track. Don't be fooled, that big barn is full aluminum, and steel forms, beams channel, angles, and tubes. He has a press, and a shear for materials up to 8ft. He has the best prices around. Greg is the proprietor, I don't know who Ed is, never met him. I don't think he has a website, but you can call.

Kenvil Weldery has a lot of stuff, but he is a little more expensive, he has a brake a shear, and a ironworker, plasma table , Milling machines , lathes, surface grinder, line boring tools. He does work for NJ transit, port of Newark, Newark airport, JCP&L, machining and welding. Bridges, towers, tunnels, underground missile bunkers, big machinery, you name it he'll fix it. He also has a few older chevy's, I think the Pickup is on the website.

Both shops are open in the morning on Saturday, but call ahead on Thursday, or Friday, or send drawings (they both take hand sketches if they are clear) so they can have stuff ready for pick up.

I also keep a bunch of aluminum shapes , forms, and tubes in stock. If you should need a really short length of aluminum square tube or solid round , or whatever. send me a PM of what you need, I can let you know if I have some. One mans cutoff pile is a nother mans treasure. BTW My factory is in Flanders, behind the shop-rite on RT206.


Good Luck

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

well, sounds like albrightree, was quite the detective on this one. ur dc welds may have appeared somewhat ok, but he noticed the color wasnt quite right on them too.

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

awesome. thanks guys!

So, Friday I got my Argon cylinder replaced with a full one. I also bought some green colored 2% lanthanated tungsten. I went to the sheet-metal place and the boss was out for the day and nobody else was "authorized' to sell meany scrap 6061 aluminum without his permission. weird, but oh well.



Got a chance to test the TIG welder and it still did the same thing. I smelled a burning smell from the welder and saw a small puff of smoke at the dinse connector, like before. I decided to fully disassemble everything, and lo-and-behold, found that the dinse connector was barely connected to the hose. I guess the supplier ships them this way? I would have never expected them to do this, but it was a simple fix. Tighten the threaded connections between the hose-and-dinse. I cleaned everything up, and pressed the foot pedal,
and,
finally
FINALLY...

saw a silver puddle of aluminum start to form! What a moment that was! Even thought it was ugly, and my form, materials were sub-par.. I just went for it. Trying to lay down some beads, while beginning to play with the foot pedal, torch distance etc. I dipped the tungsten a few times and since I was tight on time, I just did a quick cleaning and went back at it.

While these welds are not good, not pretty, and not something i am proud of, I am relieved that I can rest easy knowing the welder is capable of welding aluminum... but now I have to learn it ! I am up for the task. Now, I can get comfortable and try to get in some good practice!

So, in the end, I am pretty sure that the improper connection underneath the dinse cover on the hose (the hose-to-dinse) was not letting the electricity flow properly, and also not letting the gas flow properly. What is weird, is that it TIG welded seemingly just fine when doing DC- on steel... I guess the loose connection was just enough for DC- but not good enough for AC. very interesting

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

I accidently reversed leads on a AC TIG machine with the balance set to one side. It didn't weld good at all, and the tungsten (inverter using gold - 1.5%?) eroded back into the cup very quickly. The weld looked contaminated, but I when I increased the amps to get a puddle the whole tip of the tungsten blew off, dropped on the aluminum, popped out of the crater, and left a mess. Gotta wonder if this isn't bad gas/not enough flow ? When the solenoid opens at 0:29, it sounds like the gas is flowing at the machine, but I don't hear that hollow sound at the cup, or any after flow. I would turn up the flow until I could hear it. Maybe a fresh tank will make a difference. The welder sounds like its making all the right noises except for the gas.

Here's a picture with reverse leads :

Attachment 1730232


The red star looks like its the part of the tungsten that melted off and fell in the puddle, and blew up.

Is there any possiblity that the leads got swapped when you cleaned the selector dial ? Check the wiring diagram on the cover and match connections on the machine. Most of the wires should be marked.


Best of luck


PS oops, I meant CFH, not CFM sorry for the confusion.

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

well, if you tried everyhing everyone said, and still no go, then, lookin at it, and what ur sayin, i wonder if something is wrong w/ the, "ac balance". i didnt see a knob/adjustment for it when u showed front panel. and having the name econo tig, makes me think, economy machine, maybe it has a built in preset/determined percentage. im just guessing (and actually running out of guesses), that maybe whatever internally controls the % of the two polaritys u'd get, has failed, and maybe ur gettin all/too much neg. and no pos. for cleaning. i never used the color tungsten u are, but i never used a ac inverter either, if thats what ur's is. i use green/pure tunsten, w/ balled end

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

Nasher: The gun that came with my Linde is a Union Carbide MT-200 and it seems to work great. I did buy some new nozzles and tips for it, but other than that, it has served me well so far. Here is a photo of the name/model and you can see photos of it on page 1 of this thread. Also, yes, wow, a copy of the user manual would be awesome! It might have some info I may need if I ever have to repair or replace parts. If you wanted to email me photos of the manual, that could work. Feel free to send me a Private message and I will share my email address with you! Thanks






albrighttree: thanks again for the help along the way. The argon is flowing at 15 cfm according to the flow meter. I am certain that it is flowing, because in fact, a short while after I filmed that video, I ran the argon cylinder out of gas. So I have to go out on Friday and get a new tank of Argon, probably over to All County Welding Supply in Wharton since it is only 5 minutes away.
- I fully agree with you that during that short video recording, i was not practicing proper arc distance. I was working haphazardly and at one time trying to stand on one foot while use the other foot to work the pedal and also film with one hand and tig with the other. Usually I am much closer to the metal, and often times I dip the tungsten. I have tried both methods (really far away and really close) and everything in between. If I get too close and spoil the tungsten I typically will clean it, but i did not stop to do that during the video as It would be a waste of viewer's time. I did film a short 1 minute video that same day, again, just to capture the arc sound for you guys. I did not initially upload the video here because the torch, cup, tungsten, etc were all filthy and certainly not something I am ok with. However, the video does capture the sound, which to me does sound like HF AC process.
Here is the video:

- no matter what I have tried, I have not ever seen the aluminum turn to a shiny piddle. All I have ever gotten is the burned black/white craters in the base-metal and no puddle. If I can get even one single puddle, I'll be elated and then I can work the problem from there.

I am also confused because the aluminum scrap that I am taking home from work, can be welded. What I have are pieces/cutoff's from aluminum such as in these photos below. So even though I do plan on getting some high quality aluminum, I am puzzled because the metal in the below photos shows that it can be welded, but just not by me with the EconoTig.





Whew, if I could get it to do that, i would be suuuuper happy.

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

Everything sounds about right, except I can't hear the hiss of the shielding gas. What cfm are you running at ? I would expect a minimum of 15 to 20 cfm. By the looks of it you might have too long an arc, too low of gas flow at the torch, or bad metal. 'The sound, and the arc able to start and maintain itself in AC means the HF is working..It also seems to start on hf in DC. Step on the pedal and let go to see what the flow gauge is reading. I cant really see but the tungsten doesn't seem to be blackened, or burned off, so you have gas coverage at the tungsten. Ok , I take that back, I can see the tungsten.
At around 11:10 in the video your tungsten still in good shape after two tries on the aluminum looks good, and hasn't even begun to ball or burn , or blacken. Even the aluminum doesn't have a lot of blackening(usually a result of low gas shielding). It is also seemingly about an inch away from the aluminum when you start the arc, you should only be about twice the thickness of the the tungsten away (about 3/16") . Even when you were doing steel, it was very gray and oxidized. You haven't mentioned dipping the tungsten yet, which is really common when starting TIG welding. I think think for the most part the machine is good. Try holding the tungsten as close to the aluminum as possible and increase the pedal until you ger a shiny puddle. Crank the Knob up to 10 or 100 or whatever the full setting of the machine is and pulse the pedal all the way to the floor until it goes silvery, and round. That was a good video, it was very helpful. I?m just guessing long arc mostly.

Good luck

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

Hi, I just picked up the Linde 160 too. I didn't come with a torch. What torch came with yours?. I have a copy of the instruction manual for it if you would like a copy.

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

123weld: Luckily the style foot pedal I have allows me to start the HF weld in all welding processes. I did get curious to see what would happen if I scratch started it, and while it did work, it was not something I will be doing going forward. So, the pedal can start the HF weld in AC and DC +/-

ccawgc: So I agree with you that it looks like the metal surfaces are dirty, the result also looks that way every time I do it. I followed your suggestions just yesterday while filming the below video. I used a brand new wire brush (dedicated for brushing aluminum only) as well as acetone on a scotch-brite pad. I also took your advice and wiped the tungsten rod lengthwise with scotch-brite dipped in acetone. I am using the blue tungsten, its actually all I have, should I buy a different color? From reading your description of how the HF start and HF continuous should be, I can honestly say that the welder does seem to be doing exactly that. I paid a LOT more attention to the sound the welder made based on what 123weld said a few posts ago. In AC HF mode, it does sound a bit like a wild science experiment. I hope that the noise can be heard around 10:26 in this video. So, to me, it does "sound" like it is working correctly. I am going to have to look deeper into what PCB this EconoTig has. I am thinking that it is the older style, where the foot pedal can go from "0-100%" instead of "0%-the max setting of the knob".



I had a few minutes yesterday to make a video detailing the situation.

Sometimes I may not convey things right with writing it here, but maybe the sight/sound of the video can help. Feel free to skip ahead to the 9 minute mark to see what is happening with AC HF aluminum. I wish I had a person to hold the iphone camera, so I apologize for the shaky raw video. I was in a rush, but wanted to make the video for you guys. Usually I have a sitting stool and better setup vice/clamps, but not during this quick session.

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

Ok. two things, I think you are on the right track with getting some known good metal. Your welds to me look like the metal is dirty or contaminated.
Second thing, clean your tungsten with a scotch brite pad. Remove any dirt or oxides from the length of the tungsten. Color should change to silver. pull tungsten through the pad. all scratches should go along the rod, not across.
Just had a customer that couldn't figure out why his AL welds were bad. turned out the contamination was coming from the tungsten. In DC his arc jumped off the side up from the tip and in AC the arc was ok but all the welds had black crusties along one edge. His tungsten was black. After I cleaned it it started welding correctly.
After welding dirty AL, the dirt builds up on the tungsten and needs to be cleaned off.
Prep of the weld joint is everything. what is used to clean with is just as important.
Some cleaning pads will contaminate the weld zone.
ON the operation of the welder. IF this welder welds DC correctly it should weld in AC . Provided the HF stays on in AC. This welder switches between HF start and HF continuous when welder is switched from DC to AC. Should be able to see the HF jump from your torch if you just barely press the foot control. Two basic versions of this welder. the older one let the foot control go from 0 to max. Newer welders the foot control adjust from 0 to panel control setting. If the control pcb has been changed the older welders were changed to work like the newer ones.

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

heres a guy w/ a machine like urs, doing it. does ur "hf start " work on dcen? in other words, do u need to scratch start, or can u make the arc jump start w/ the foot pedal

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

Interesting! I can't recall hearing that sound, and from the way you describe it, I would certainly know it if I did hear it. Maybe, I will try to film a short video clip next time I get the TIG welder setup. I'd be using an iphone, so I am not sure if it will capture the scene properly, but hopefully it will. Then if someone sees/hears something is awry with my setup, maybe they could point it out to me. Also, you idea of leaving the bottle strapped to something other than the welding cart is something I also thought of and still might do. Cool, thank you

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

Originally Posted by IROCZman15

Ah, yes, I miswrote that. Brain Fart. I remember that you said Newton and that was what I should have wrote. My good friend bought a nice big house in Newton (somewhere back behind Sussex County College area) and I helped him move in and do some projects. However, I haven't been back there in some months, but next time I go visit him, I will be certain to stop at the welding supply!

Also, you might be totally right about the quality of the aluminum! I thought about this early on back when I first tested the welder, but quickly dismissed the thought. But, pretty much all of the aluminum pieces I have tried to weld have been scrap pieces from work, and I have no idea what # or type of actual aluminum it is


Lastly, if anyone has any input or suggestions on a good, cheap, low-profile, flat cart for the econotig, please feel free to chime in! Thanks!

u' should know if ur "high freq" is working or not, just by the sound. there is a distinctive difference. it should litterally sound like a frankenstein expermint, or standing in the middle of a edison plant sub station on a foggy day. u cant mistake it.. if u cant hear the diff, ur hf isnt on/working . my stand is a shelf i made to slide in a cheap engine stand. its perfect angle/height/and one front wheel gets in tight areas. maybe shorten it for urs, as might be top heavy. strap bottle to wall near elect outlet, and run green inert gas hose the lenght of ur cord - can zip tie them together. i dont like carts w/ bottles on them. dragging weight is a drag. i suppose if the outlet were overhead, id put a bottle on a cart though

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

Ah, yes, I miswrote that. Brain Fart. I remember that you said Newton and that was what I should have wrote. My good friend bought a nice big house in Newton (somewhere back behind Sussex County College area) and I helped him move in and do some projects. However, I haven't been back there in some months, but next time I go visit him, I will be certain to stop at the welding supply!

Also, you might be totally right about the quality of the aluminum! I thought about this early on back when I first tested the welder, but quickly dismissed the thought. But, pretty much all of the aluminum pieces I have tried to weld have been scrap pieces from work, and I have no idea what # or type of actual aluminum it is. It sure is cheap looking and feeling, and white-ish in color. I don't think you could polish it even with a machine. So, I agree with ya, before I go bringing the welder for an evaluation/repair, I should get some good quality aluminum and see how the welder functions. Very excellent point.


Lastly, if anyone has any input or suggestions on a good, cheap, low-profile, flat cart for the econotig, please feel free to chime in! Thanks!

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

There's a new Harbor freight in Mansfield between the walmart, and the Shop-Rite. Not too far out of the way when going to Island Dragway. I'm on the other side of the Great Meadow in Townsbury, I can hear you guys ripping it up at night when I'm working outside. Sounds like fun.

BTW All Gas is in ANdover NJ(Newton Rt 206) not Dover(Rockaway)

Before you send your unit out for repair , try buying some known good 6061 aluminum from Mcmaster carr or Grainger , some of the stuff you get at Home Depot or hardware store just doesn't want to weld.

Good luck

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

So, the original ebay seller was kind enough to send me a new hose mostly because from day-1 when i got the hose/dinse/torch setup, it was unwilling to go into the machine without some hand filing. Might have made the connection weak or unsteady. So the seller sent me a new hose and dinse connector.

and

THE WELDER IS BACK IN ACTION! I can TIG weld steel and it is working exactly as it was before. DC neg and DC positive is working properly; however still, jut as before, no luck getting it to work with Aluminum in AC mode. So, i am going to enjoy doing steel TIG practice for a while longer, and maybe I will eventually get the AC mode working, and maybe I will have to have the welder looked at by a professional repair shop like Orion.

I definitely DO want to stop by that All Gas welding supply store in Dover, thats on my list !

The other thing i want to do/buy is a tig welding cart. I had originally thought about building my own, but with race season in full swing and house projects, work, etc I might be better off buying a cheap cart and then modifying it if needed. I would like to spend less than $100 for a working TIG cart. I have an 80 cf argon tank. I do not think its safe to haev the heavy welder on an angle, so I prefer the flat mount style. I like the low-profile style cart better, because I have shelves at 44" above where the welders are in the garage. I also do not like the thought of having a top-heavy setup if I am wheeling it around the garage. The Miller EconoTig measures 13" across, 23" deep, and 18" tall. So, it is pretty big. I did some searching online and on this forum for "miller econotig cart" and didn't find much because this is a 20+ year old welder.

My first choice was this one: https://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-lo...=google&wv=3.1
and even though the welder is dimensionally bigger than the top platform, I could make a platform on top of the existing one that will hold the big econotig. Yet, it also doesn't have hooks, or extras on it.



Here are a few other possible choices, but most are either two expensive or do not have the features i want:

https://www.weldingoutfitter.com/pro...BoCTr8QAvD_BwE


https://www.usasafety.com/mig-invert...hoCBuUQAvD_BwE

Re: New here, acquired two old (working) welders, hoping to put them into action soon

awesome thank you! I am going to dig into this more next week. Work has been hectic recently and tonight I went to Island Dragway to watch Team Texas from Street Outlaws NoPrep Kings do some 8th mile testing. Tomorrow morning I leave for a big autocross racing event I am competing in, way out in Pennsylvania and i won't be home until late Sunday. I am super thankful to learn of that welding place up in newton, but I am afraid I will spend a fortune there if I go there without a game-plan/list. Nonetheless, thanks, I will be getting back to the welder stuff next week, for sure.