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Originally Posted by cmh31909

https://www.ssccontrols.com/product/touch4/

Tks for your response

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https://www.ssccontrols.com/product/touch4/

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Anyone know where i can get a finger controller for my Vulcan pro tig 200?

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Originally Posted by rexcormack

For the benefit of others start a new thread!

Good advise

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Originally Posted by bevis28

I have the warranty in my email.
i don't want to post it here as i feel I've already hijacked the OPs thread.

For the benefit of others start a new thread!

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I have the warranty in my email.
i don't want to post it here as i feel I've already hijacked the OPs thread.

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Originally Posted by metalman21

Get back to us if they do honor your request for the warranty. I recall that brand was brought to my attention from a post someone here on WW posted regarding them covering the cost of shipping for the whole 3 year term. This is one of the big issues with online off brand equipment as you already know. You know if something sounds too good to be true..... it probably isn't? So it would be interesting to read the fine print and know exactly what one could expect in the event of a warranty issue.

I'm still waiting.... have not seen it in my email yet. if they indeed do pay shipping for the term of the warranty, they just sold one to me. But I'm gonna need to see that in writing.
i just talked to mike and he says he's sending it right now to my email. if users want, i can post it here ( but hijacking is not cool ) or i can PM it to you.

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There is no warranty info on Primwelds site . I had to email them requesting the warranty so i could read it. Can you say " red flag ?"

Get back to us if they do honor your request for the warranty. I recall that brand was brought to my attention from a post someone here on WW posted regarding them covering the cost of shipping for the whole 3 year term. This is one of the big issues with online off brand equipment as you already know. You know if something sounds too good to be true..... it probably isn't? So it would be interesting to read the fine print and know exactly what one could expect in the event of a warranty issue.

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It was a link referenced earlier in the thread. Apparently I cut/pasted an incomplete link, the one below should work.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...k_ql_qh_dp_hza

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Weldpro will provide free shipping return of the damaged product due to manufacturers defect for the first 30 days of the warranty term if shipping is within the lower 48 United States. Customers outside this area must check with Weldpro for further shipping instructions. Failures after the initial 30-day period, and due to manufacturers defect, may not enjoy free return shipping.
If it is determined when the product is returned to Weldpro that there is no malfunction, or that the assumed malfunction by the customer was user error, Weldpro may request a shipping fee refund prior to the return of the item to the customer.
Prior to returning any item thought to be malfunctioning or damaged due to manufacturers defect, customers are required to contact Weldpro first, to explain the failure and to obtain a Return Merchandise Authorization number, or the item may not be covered under the terms of this warranty.


thats sounds suspiciously like another yellow and green warranty i read somewhere. jus sayin

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Originally Posted by cmh31909

>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...k_ql_qh_dp_hza

If you go to the website for that vendor (WeldPro.com), it looks almost identical to the Primeweld website...interesting.

that link is broken. which welder are you speaking of ?

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>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...k_ql_qh_dp_hza

If you go to the website for that vendor (WeldPro.com), it looks almost identical to the Primeweld website...interesting.

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Originally Posted by metalman21

Never heard of that one.
My understanding is there are more welding machines made in China than you can shake a stick at .
I don't know about the AHP and Primeweld coming off the same boat. I think AHP is in California (same owners as Everlast?) and Primeweld is in NJ?

Yes primeweld is in NJ. I talked to them on the phone a bit ago. Green and yellow are owned by the same company and are in California. But i suspect
that all these offshore inverters, shy HTP and fronious , are likely made in the same plant to different specs.
There is no warranty info on Primwelds site . I had to email them requesting the warranty so i could read it. Can you say " red flag ?"

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Im also looking at this

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...k_ql_qh_dp_hza

Never heard of that one.
My understanding is there are more welding machines made in China than you can shake a stick at .
I don't know about the AHP and Primeweld coming off the same boat. I think AHP is in California (same owners as Everlast?) and Primeweld is in NJ?

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Originally Posted by metalman21

Bevis
Did you see the Primeweld 225: https://primeweld.com/products/prime...-year-warranty
Not a lot written about it but there are some utube vids. It appears to have post flow and pre-flow adjustability.
Less money than the HF. I mentioned the HF 1 year return in the context that if something goes wrong with the welder you can get another one and maybe drive to a brick and mortar store to swap it.

just talked to the people at prime weld. they are in port now and will be available in 7-10 days.
interesting that AHP had a shipment come in yesterday too. i suspect they are on the same boat

Apologies to the OP.
Didn't mean to hijack your thread.
Just responding to metal man.
carry on...

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Originally Posted by metalman21

Bevis
Did you see the Primeweld 225: https://primeweld.com/products/prime...-year-warranty
Not a lot written about it but there are some utube vids. It appears to have post flow and pre-flow adjustability.
Less money than the HF. I mentioned the HF 1 year return in the context that if something goes wrong with the welder you can get another one and maybe drive to a brick and mortar store to swap it.

I certainly agree that if you are ok with the feature set of the HF 200, its a no brainer along with the $119 for a 2 year extended warranty. There are no other brands with brick and mortar locations that can do that.
I absolutely did see that thread about the prime weld 225 and read it completely . I then went to look at availability and came up with zero.
Im also looking at this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...k_ql_qh_dp_hza
But there is no availability yet.

I don't think red or blue really care about hobby level welders and thats why the import market won't impact them much.
If i had the cash to blow, i would have already ordered an Invertig221. I think its hard to beat for the money and i have never heard anyone say one bad word about the 221.
But alas, i do not.....
SO I'm still looking at green /yellow/ and other color machines that are not miller or lincoln.

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Bevis
Did you see the Primeweld 225: https://primeweld.com/products/prime...-year-warranty
Not a lot written about it but there are some utube vids. It appears to have post flow and pre-flow adjustability.
Less money than the HF. I mentioned the HF 1 year return in the context that if something goes wrong with the welder you can get another one and maybe drive to a brick and mortar store to swap it.

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Originally Posted by metalman21

Shovelon gave you good advice and I agree air cooled torches need more gas post flow time. That said I would not be put off by that. I have not had the opportunity to try that Vulcan 200 but from what I've read here, particularly posts from Shovelon, I think that machine would be a good machine to start with. Can't beat the 1 year return policy either.

And i thanked him for his concise answer.

The reality is for me, anything with synergic post flow ( no post flow control ) is a non starter for me not matter the color.
Some may say I'm just ignorant and you may be right but i just don't see paying more for less.
Lets say you want to water cool the protig200 down the road sometime. How does that synergic post flow not become a serious gas waster then?
I have seen more than one person say" just buy it to learn on and then take it back ". Thats just not cool and only drives up the price on economical welders. Not to mention the implications about your character.
Kind of like the already increase of $100 from the ProTig200 release price of $899.
If you really love the features of the lincoln SW200, by all means skip the lincoln and save yourself a bunch and get the Protig 200 from harbor freight. it appears to be a pretty good 1 to 1 knockoff of the SW200.
The only way i can think of to get around the crazy post flow waste is to figure out a timer circuit that drives a low voltage inline , on the output of the flow meter, solenoid that kills the gas flow or go to a valve torch.
My miller 215 suffers from the same gas wasting synergic post flow.
The reality is that most all, including red and blue, are made from off shore boards. I think the quality between each brand, whatever color it is, is becoming a blurred line.
Blue and Red out of warranty repairs can cost as much as another welder. I think inverter welders have become yet another item in the list of throw away consumer electronics.
Also these orange machines are not going to hold their value in the used market any better than all other colors, excluding red and blue.
Im not here to bash any brand or color. I have zero exposure to the orange machines. The synergic post flow just makes it not for me. Thats all.

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I bought the Vulcan ProTig 200 about a year ago. I'm a novice (at best). I've used Oxyacetylene in the past and was, at best mediocre at that. I've learned a lot from both youtube, books and practice. My main use of it is welding up the various turbo components, exhaust manifolds, tubing from the turbo outlet to the intercooler to the throttle body, turbo downpipes, exhaust out the back, etc. I'm using aluminum, stainless and mild steel with this welder. I tried a lot of different tungstens (percentages, pure, different diameters,etc) My gas is 100% argon. I use the FUPA #12 gas lens quite a bit. I have to say, I'm *very* happy with the results of this welder.

Originally Posted by metalman21

Shovelon gave you good advice and I agree air cooled torches need more gas post flow time. That said I would not be put off by that. I have not had the opportunity to try that Vulcan 200 but from what I've read here, particularly posts from Shovelon, I think that machine would be a good machine to start with. Can't beat the 1 year return policy either.

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Originally Posted by bevis28

Could you please elaborate on what i highlighted ? Im a newb and I'm concerned that the protig 200 is an argon eater because of the 16 second post flow. no post flow adjustment has stopped me from buying one already.

Shovelon gave you good advice and I agree air cooled torches need more gas post flow time. That said I would not be put off by that. I have not had the opportunity to try that Vulcan 200 but from what I've read here, particularly posts from Shovelon, I think that machine would be a good machine to start with. Can't beat the 1 year return policy either.

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Originally Posted by shovelon

Start with a gas lens kit and a portable gas flow checker to confirm flow at the torch. Then reduce gas flow as much as possible. A gas lens does a good job of providing a smooth coverage. The lower amps so you have to floor the pedal to get desired puddle. The synergic function times post flow at the amps set on the panel, which is 7 to 18 seconds.

Here I the deal. At prolonged welding the air cooled torch will need long post-flows.

Thanks for the explanation.
Much appreciated

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Originally Posted by bevis28

Could you please elaborate on what i highlighted ? Im a newb and I'm concerned that the protig 200 is an argon eater because of the 16 second post flow. no post flow adjustment has stopped me from buying one already.

Start with a gas lens kit and a portable gas flow checker to confirm flow at the torch. Then reduce gas flow as much as possible. A gas lens does a good job of providing a smooth coverage. The lower amps so you have to floor the pedal to get desired puddle. The synergic function times post flow at the amps set on the panel, which is 7 to 18 seconds.

Here I the deal. At prolonged welding the air cooled torch will need long post-flows.

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Originally Posted by shovelon

Wow! It's been a long time since I addressed the Protig200. Let me start from the beginning. A guy visits my shop, says his company is designing a dual voltage 200 amp Tig welder. Wants me to evaluate. OK but what do you want to know? He says would you compare against your current dual voltage, air cooled, 200 amp Tigs, pros and cons, for a month? OK I says.

That black box welded nothing like my Dynasty200, but very much like my Lincoln SW200, right down to the buzz, and the pulse adjustment and synergies like post flow timing. First thing was duty cycle. Yes I tried to kill it. Only plugged into 120 volts could I get it to trip off. Back on 230 volts I was welding heavy alum bar to see how fast I could push the torch. The original flex torches got smoking and alarmingly floppy. Eventually the rubber cracked off and the dude brought me some more to kill. I mentioned that this black box started the arc like my Lincoln right down to the pop start. He says we will talk about that when he brings the pre release unit.

Well he brings 2 orange Tigs named Vulcan and a bunch of NDA forms and introduces himself as a product design engineer with Harbor Freight. Says if I would be so generous to killify these for a year and talk to him about my observations. Turns out there were a few others in the region doing the same. First off the flimsy torches had to go. There were 3 styles of pedals and the rear hinge pedal were useless. I lobbied for the center hinge but they improved the rear hinge pedal instead. One Tig had a pulse go to 20, and the other to 200. I told now 2 engineers that the 20 pulse max Tig was almost useless. I showed them why and I got my way on that one.

So after a year of building structures and debriefing my findings I heard nothing other than "We are working on the final configuration". Then I get requested to have a film crew come in my shop to do a video showing me weld 'alum and a professional perspective. Hold the phone I say. In the current states of these machines I would not recommend. This did not go own well and after telling them why they discovered that they never gave me the final version. So they pulled a carton out of the warehouse and drove it over. I says give me a week or so. WOW! All of the issues were addressed! As much as I did not like the pedal and it's cheesy plug, it is fine, with a much better plug, and half my crew actually prefers it. The torch is now solid body and stands up to heat well enough. The hoses and flow gauges actually work well and are accurate (none worked at all before).

So, what I do like is that it is idiot simple like my 2 Lincoln SW200s. I like the capacitor discharge "pop" arc start. I love the low to high speed pulse mode giving up to 200 pps. I like the copper contacts ground clamp just like my Lincolns. I like the one year trial, no questions asked.

What I don't like is rigid torch. That would eventually become a TecTorch FX17. I still don't prefer the pedal, but SSC controls makes an aftermarket center pivot pedal, and also their new 4 step finger amptrol that can be bought from member Gamble on this forum. I detest the cheap Chinese standard soft copper torch parts. Those were immediately replaced with TecTorch medium gas lens kits. I also don't like to have to purchase the 3 year warranty. I fought on that one but lost. $75 is not horrible.

The machine itself is as solid as my Lincoln SW200s. They even have the little hidden compartment on the face. One could outfit the machine with upgrades of their choice. Every part is interchangeable with my Lincoln Tigs as well. The dinse connectors are exactly the same.

As far as the synergic post flow, if it feels like it is too long, well there are other steps to reduced gas consumption. Anyway Harbor Freight left me with 3 ProTigs. One per release is being used at the local university, the final release Tig is being used by my new hire, and the second per release is on standby for field jobs. I would recommend anyone considering a purchase to opt for the 3 year upgrade.

Could you please elaborate on what i highlighted ? Im a newb and I'm concerned that the protig 200 is an argon eater because of the 16 second post flow. no post flow adjustment has stopped me from buying one already.

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Originally Posted by shovelon

I bet you got a sweet deal on that return welder. I found that the tungsten they gave is really crappy, especially if it gets too balled up. I think it is ceriated as they are scared of thoriated. Anyway the thoriated with a pointed tip made the starts work well.

I also found if it hard to start rubbing on the metal first cures it.

Had to do the touch off before re-starting a arc on my dynasty sometimes, with red or orange, blue was better, local HF had a Vulcan mig 215 open box/return 285.00, seemed reasonable 30 day return, roll the dice win or lose,

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AvE is an internet sensation...funny as hell. He protects his real identity pretty fiercely so I am not sure anyone knows who he really is. Seems to have an engineering/manufacturing background. Does a lot of tear downs and other tool reviews.