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Re: Would I be wrong to use 6013 over 7018 on this?

Originally Posted by BrooklynBravest

On 3/8” stainless cables now.

If it falls, oh well. I’m pretty confident after putting a 200 lb manikin in it and then jumping around in it with my
200 lbs it’s not budging.

Strong work!! You are making me wish I was a young man again so I could come and train with you. That looks AWESOME!

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That is super nice. As good as it can be done.

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All done for now.

May change some things down the line.

The scaffold, hasn’t budged the slightest we overloaded it pretty good.

95% donated scrap metal, excluding the containers themselves. Bar grating also donated scrap.

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I was going to comment on the clips, looks like you have read the instructions. Carry on.

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Originally Posted by psacustomcreations

Zach,
You may not realize it, but you just added three more pages to this thread by posting pics of the wire rope and clips. Someone or more than one are going to comment on the clips and then the arguments start.

Haha trust me i considered that.

Fortunately it was all done by the book at Crosby’s recommendations. I even welded the cut rope end.

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Originally Posted by psacustomcreations

Zach,
You may not realize it, but you just added three more pages to this thread by posting pics of the wire rope and clips. Someone or more than one are going to comment on the clips and then the arguments start.

Good thing none of the photos show the 115gfi box on the basket rail…..


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Re: Would I be wrong to use 6013 over 7018 on this?

Zach,
You may not realize it, but you just added three more pages to this thread by posting pics of the wire rope and clips. Someone or more than one are going to comment on the clips and then the arguments start.

Re: Would I be wrong to use 6013 over 7018 on this?

On 3/8” stainless cables now.

If it falls, oh well. I’m pretty confident after putting a 200 lb manikin in it and then jumping around in it with my
200 lbs it’s not budging.

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Rod selection matters in terms of weld position too. 7014 will freeze fast sort of like 6010 but not nearly as much, welder machines struggle less with 7014 than they do 6010.

7018 LH (the green label) really just flows buttery smooth (slow burn, slow moving) with easy puddle control and visibility but it seems best used on flat welds or and maybe some vert welds but anything overhead or tricky you'd want the faster freezing 6011.
A decent or exceptional inverter welder would run the 6011 very easily. I recently tried 6011 on a miller multimatic 255 and it ran very smooth, but didn't like the 6010 much. 6011 and 6013 may have certain welding scenarios they excel better at but 6010/6011 was meant to weld on dirty or less than perfect steel as I understand it just like ER70s2/s6 for tig and mig.

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Originally Posted by BrooklynBravest

Sometimes. But it’s also worth noting the elders are often wrong, or heavily antiquated in their way and many times consider themselves to be Infallible.

The good thing is, all fires go out. Eventually…

Those guys are SALTY!! LOL

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Originally Posted by Sberry

So I mention this earlier in this thread. What I know about professional firemen is little but it doesnt take long to realize they all have human faults but being fargin idiots and poorly trained isnt one of them. Lots of long term elder oversight in these operations. Prolly 50 guys overseeing this in some fashion, if any didnt feel secure I bout bet they wouldnt be scared to say so in a hurry., just the nature of big organizations etc. Always someone with an opinion, bout bet everyone is satisfied with it.

Sometimes. But it’s also worth noting the elders are often wrong, or heavily antiquated in their way and many times consider themselves to be Infallible.

The good thing is, all fires go out. Eventually…

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So I mention this earlier in this thread. What I know about professional firemen is little but it doesnt take long to realize they all have human faults but being fargin idiots and poorly trained isnt one of them. Lots of long term elder oversight in these operations. Prolly 50 guys overseeing this in some fashion, if any didnt feel secure I bout bet they wouldnt be scared to say so in a hurry., just the nature of big organizations etc. Always someone with an opinion, bout bet everyone is satisfied with it.

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Part of my skill set is I can work along in a gang in most any trade, doesnt mean expert in them all but I could show up on a lineman crew and they never know I really wasnt one unless it got real technical. I dont know why I toss that in but,,,, I know some fire types, we have vol here but at one time I had a BUNCH of drinking buds from the city used to come this way to put a big ripper on. So,,, I am in another big city and doing ok with the barmaids and there is a big convention in town, national deal and they come in and in about 5 minutes we are old buds, so they slide me in to some sessions. I got to go to a couple science ones, a bud was a presenter but I go to electric forensics and ask a couple questions even back in the day same as we see often on forums we assume as gospel,,, most aInt so. I ask if anyone ever see a welder or air comp wiring burn the joint down? I dont think there was any response except to note that almost all of them were from ghenerals or faulty equipment with automatic controls didnt shut down, were tampered with or the old circuit was tampered with in a couple respects and when I look at old wire today still think back to where the % of faults are, seen some crap in old places, not much of it done to shop equipment most of wehich is on dedicated circuits,,, especially today with upgrades etc so the risk of burning the shack down from a wire to the welder is about zilch,,, to the poing post dont even look at it in investigation unless there is some comp[elling reason to suspect it.

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Originally Posted by Sberry

I was on another job a while back where some old farts were quizing the crane operator about experience. I had to toss in 2 cents and say,,, anyone think they send him out on a half a million $ machine on rentals he doesnt know how to run?

A 2022 firefighting ladder truck is 1.1-1.6 million.

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I was on another job a while back where some old farts were quizing the crane operator about experience. I had to toss in 2 cents and say,,, anyone think they send him out on a half a million $ machine on rentals he doesnt know how to run?

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Originally Posted by Sberry

You know,,,,we used to talk a lot about experience. A guy can do something for 40 years and still not do it right. 1/2 the people in trades and professions are below their average, some barely scrape thru, some have talent in part of it. I remember making a comment and guy next to me says,,, it dont matter how long he has been doing it, he can run the machine.
I was contracting a job, it was private and not many people used to seeing a 12 yr old show up with a scoop of stuff on a heavy loader. After he was done leveling and headed back the guy said to me,,,,, that was impressive.

I think people disregard the carryover of modern video games to something like running an excavator or hoe. Games now are quite complex in the muscle memory required to play them at a competitive level, often exceeding what it takes to run many machines.

and of course, many people just exist in their profession for the duration of their time there, doing just enough to show productivity and retain employment.

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You know,,,,we used to talk a lot about experience. A guy can do something for 40 years and still not do it right. 1/2 the people in trades and professions are below their average, some barely scrape thru, some have talent in part of it. I remember making a comment and guy next to me says,,, it dont matter how long he has been doing it, he can run the machine.
I was contracting a job, it was private and not many people used to seeing a 12 yr old show up with a scoop of stuff on a heavy loader. After he was done leveling and headed back the guy said to me,,,,, that was impressive.

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Originally Posted by Willie B

Our biggest problem used to be, and seldom now; adrenaline. Competent people most of the time, get whipped into a frenzy in emergency situations. Damaged equipment is the most common result, human injury on rare occasions. No value rushing to an event if you wreck the truck, or run over someone on the way. At a fire scene, or other event, people communicate efficiently & cooperate. That wasn't always the case. A few members would scream orders, be verbally abusive & occasionally physically abusive.

In the vollies I was driving the ladder truck at age 21. In retrospect 10+ years later, its a bit crazy to task a 21 year old who only has ~4 years of experience behind the wheel of a car, with driving a fire apparatus.

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Originally Posted by BrooklynBravest

The volunteer side is a challenge both to provide training and equipment and to acquire/retain membership. In the age of people working more than ever to put food on the table, and perpetual growth of training requirements its a dying system. I was a volunteer for 15 years, I've since retired.

Membership is not a problem in our case. In fact, we have members living in adjacent towns. We have a great group of officers, intelligent people with good social skills.
In past years there were incidents where members committed unacceptable acts & good people left the department. Our present Chief will NOT tolerate that. We have if possible too many firemen. Those who gain competence from the training are in a minority.

Our biggest problem used to be, and seldom now; adrenaline. Competent people most of the time, get whipped into a frenzy in emergency situations. Damaged equipment is the most common result, human injury on rare occasions. No value rushing to an event if you wreck the truck, or run over someone on the way. At a fire scene, or other event, people communicate efficiently & cooperate. That wasn't always the case. A few members would scream orders, be verbally abusive & occasionally physically abusive.

45 years ago I was out very late on my way home middle of the night. I could see the fire from a distance, I went straight to the fire. A dairy barn was fully involved, only the outline of rafters was visible in the ball of flame. Trucks arrived a couple minutes later. We set up a portable tank, connected hard suction from a couple trucks, began charging hoses, & started pumping from a nearby pond.

No hope of saving anything of the barn, it was already lost. The farmhouse had cedar shingled siding was near enough to be in danger. Firemen hosed it down to keep it cool.
I was on the other side of the barn. One section was not yet involved. I could see the farmer's favorite tractor unharmed. I used an 1-1/2 line to wet it down. A more senior member yanked the hose out of my hands screaming: "If you don't have brains enough to spray water on the fire, leave it alone." The entire barn with the tractor burned to the ground.
That behavior doesn't happen any more.

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Originally Posted by Sberry

I finally bought a compact camera back in the day and had quite a little file before the net of jobs I was on were insane. I lost it in a fire, I looked for negatives but they must have been with it. Most of it was before harnesses, we use a quick release structural belt and a simple lanyard. Weled a lot off pics,,, simple board and rope platforms suspended from a beam you were working on. On the sides of buildings like that. I hung underneath a bridge about 200 ft for 3 months, another month on the side like that and a couple sitting on top of it.

Those board platforms are called bosuns chairs. My tower harness has one built in. It's not a board, it's basically just a really wide padded strap. Pretty convenient to have to option available. Doesn't get in the way or add any noticeable weight, either.

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Originally Posted by Willie B

Even rural volunteer companies have seen exponential growth in work load.
Our 83 year old Chief is a slave driver.
50 years ago when I joined we dealt with fires. At the time we had an active Civil Defense organization. They raised enough money to buy a retired Cadillac ambulance. It wasn't very reliable.
Traffic accidents were purely the responsibility of State Police. Fire company wasn't even notified. Might be, the local ambulance was called upon, it sometimes wouldn't start. Aldous was the nearest city funeral home & ambulance service. Sometimes their passengers were delivered directly to the funeral home.

These days it's an endless series of false alarms to the residential mansion for rich people's drug addict children. Another mansion is lately an Air B&B. We get six? calls a year false alarm fire. We respond to 50? calls a year for traffic accidents mostly on Route 7. Typically, we are there to direct traffic, sometimes we (I'm too old) load bodies for the coroner. We are called for lift assist when very fat people need to be transported. Had one 400 pounder didn't visit the bathroom between ambulance rides to the hospital. Bedroom wasn't big enough for firemen to walk both sides of the bed. In the worst of the Covid panic, Chief was vulnerable & assistant chief was newly diagnosed with bone cancer. Firemen took emergency measures to refuse them entry to that bedroom.

I'll estimate our two town volunteer Fire Company deals with 10 fires a year, 5 are someone burning brush without a permit. Total calls must be over 75 annually.
I've stepped aside to let younger active firemen have their time. My oldest son is a Captain, very recently he's more in the next town with his wife & baby, but responds to every call. I used to kid he lived in Mount Tabor 15 hours a day, but slept in Dorset with his wife. Lately that ratio is reversed.

The volunteer side is a challenge both to provide training and equipment and to acquire/retain membership. In the age of people working more than ever to put food on the table, and perpetual growth of training requirements its a dying system. I was a volunteer for 15 years, I've since retired.

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Even rural volunteer companies have seen exponential growth in work load.
Our 83 year old Chief is a slave driver.
50 years ago when I joined we dealt with fires. At the time we had an active Civil Defense organization. They raised enough money to buy a retired Cadillac ambulance. It wasn't very reliable.
Traffic accidents were purely the responsibility of State Police. Fire company wasn't even notified. Might be, the local ambulance was called upon, it sometimes wouldn't start. Aldous was the nearest city funeral home & ambulance service. Sometimes their passengers were delivered directly to the funeral home.

These days it's an endless series of false alarms to the residential mansion for rich people's drug addict children. Another mansion is lately an Air B&B. We get six? calls a year false alarm fire. We respond to 50? calls a year for traffic accidents mostly on Route 7. Typically, we are there to direct traffic, sometimes we (I'm too old) load bodies for the coroner. We are called for lift assist when very fat people need to be transported. Had one 400 pounder didn't visit the bathroom between ambulance rides to the hospital. Bedroom wasn't big enough for firemen to walk both sides of the bed. In the worst of the Covid panic, Chief was vulnerable & assistant chief was newly diagnosed with bone cancer. Firemen took emergency measures to refuse them entry to that bedroom.

I'll estimate our two town volunteer Fire Company deals with 10 fires a year, 5 are someone burning brush without a permit. Total calls must be over 75 annually.
I've stepped aside to let younger active firemen have their time. My oldest son is a Captain, very recently he's more in the next town with his wife & baby, but responds to every call. I used to kid he lived in Mount Tabor 15 hours a day, but slept in Dorset with his wife. Lately that ratio is reversed.

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Originally Posted by 123weld

i doubt this is the case w/ member brooklyn bravest, as it looks that hes always working and doing something extra. but i think a good % of fireman arent very productive at work, unless its that rare moment of emergency. ive often thought in past, they should have some other assignments/work to do meantime. now washing windows would be a good excercise to possibly help save lives, or trained for an alternative route to escape burning building. in other words, they should get the window washers to train them, so they could do it too. id think theres plenty of state/federal building that need there windows done. this would also keep the firemen in the public eye, as them lolly gagging through/around the grocery store w/ engine in parking lot isnt a good way

It’s worth noting most fire departments are in quiet rural areas or are volunteer. They do in fact sit around quite a bit and most never see any real emergencies. Theres a reason most every drama/thriller is filmed in Chicago, Los Angelos or New York City… The FDNY is the largest and busiest department in the country. Los Angeles comes in second with only 1/3 of FDNY’s workforce.

Here in NYC we are tasked with administrative work such as maintenance of the actual firehouse, building inspection for fire code, writing tickets, complaints regarding fire hazards and fire protection systems. We are also required to spend a portion of our week inspecting fire hydrants in our area. It’s a few hundred fire hydrants per company and they are all tested twice per year.

We are also a special operations unit which receives an additional ~500 hours of training and additional equipment in situations such as rescue of window washers, confined space, water rescue etc. There are around 350 companies and 13 special operations units.

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I aint scared,

Re: Would I be wrong to use 6013 over 7018 on this?

i doubt this is the case w/ member brooklyn bravest, as it looks that hes always working and doing something extra. but i think a good % of fireman arent very productive at work, unless its that rare moment of emergency. ive often thought in past, they should have some other assignments/work to do meantime. now washing windows would be a good excercise to possibly help save lives, or trained for an alternative route to escape burning building. in other words, they should get the window washers to train them, so they could do it too. id think theres plenty of state/federal building that need there windows done. this would also keep the firemen in the public eye, as them lolly gagging through/around the grocery store w/ engine in parking lot isnt a good way