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Re: Need criticism on 6010.... See if you can get some 8010 and 8018 sometime.
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Re: Need criticism on 6010.... KBR had a 31+ acre mod yard and pipe/vessel fabrication shop 10 minutes from me that was there for decades. For a couple years it was called Falcon Fabrication but went into receivership a few years ago. They had a large steel/pipe rack outside with a big overhead crane than ran the length of it. The crane was painted red over the old yellow with the Brown and Root name on it. They were busy when the oilfield was booming. They were union up here and had all the different union signs strapped on the fence. A big trucking outfit moved in and paved most of the yard and put up another building. https://www.flickr.com/photos/22112243@N03/6252161686
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... I’ve seen KBR at several sites in the Canadian oil fields. They also have a non union division that they called KBR Wabbi.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... They got run out of that nuke plant in South Texas, happened after I already had drug up. Union took it over.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... Originally Posted by TimmyTIG They merged with Kellogg and now they call it KBR. I remember Brown and Root. Largest nonunion group that tried to take over union jobs. Fortunately the guys in my area were ridiculously bad. They outbid us on a job in a manufacturing plant that We worked in for years as UNION contractor. Abou 3/4 through the job, it was so screwed up they were thrown out. We were asked to finish it. The piping had to be at a specific pitch for aggregate to flow. We went there and first verified what they did. It was terrible off by multiple degree's which was unacceptable. We toured ALL areas to show owners. It was a disaster what they did. To come in and redo and finish exceded our initial bid. We got back in and it went well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... Originally Posted by Ruark Brown and Root. Man, there's a name from the past. My mother got a job as a secretary at Brown and Root up in Abilene, TX back in the early/middle 60s. They were building those huge underground Titan missile silos all around that area. Her pay was over $400 a month, which was VERY good back then. She was thrilled to death to get that job. Brown and Root also built those big offshore oil rigs at their yard by the Port Aransas ferry. It was something to see. At first, there'd be a flat, smooth, empty concrete lot. A few months later, there would be a complete, mammoth offshore rig, ready to go, just sitting there on the concrete like it had dropped from the sky. Those guys could build anything. People spoke of "Brown and Root" with a sense of awe; when they mentioned it, their voices would drop a couple of octaves. Those were the days. They merged with Kellogg and now they call it KBR.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... Originally Posted by TimmyTIG Doesn't ring a bell, but I was already out of there in 1980. There was a whole lot of people working there. He must have been union, I think they had already taken over from Brown and Root, by then. That's who I was working for. Brown and Root. Man, there's a name from the past. My mother got a job as a secretary at Brown and Root up in Abilene, TX back in the early/middle 60s. They were building those huge underground Titan missile silos all around that area. Her pay was over $400 a month, which was VERY good back then. She was thrilled to death to get that job. Brown and Root also built those big offshore oil rigs at their yard by the Port Aransas ferry. It was something to see. At first, there'd be a flat, smooth, empty concrete lot. A few months later, there would be a complete, mammoth offshore rig, ready to go, just sitting there on the concrete like it had dropped from the sky. Those guys could build anything. People spoke of "Brown and Root" with a sense of awe; when they mentioned it, their voices would drop a couple of octaves. Those were the days.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... Doesn't ring a bell, but I was already out of there in 1980. There was a whole lot of people working there. He must have been union, I think they had already taken over from Brown and Root, by then. That's who I was working for.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... Originally Posted by TimmyTIG Thanks, Sam! I welded in that nuke plant when they were building it, way back in 1980. I was just breaking out, was doing structural welding there. His name was Arthur Ramos jr. my wife said he worked there in the Mid 80’S. Maybe you two met. He would Have been 75 this year
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... Originally Posted by farmersammm I almost fogot………….the welds on the cooker thingy are very nice!! Thanks, Sam! Originally Posted by Chano Wow! I just learned a lot about the rods I have. My father in law was a welder and did a lot of welding in the Nuclear Power plant in Bay City Texas, Also in the chemical plants all over the Houston area. You are all correct about my intentions of general repair. I don’t think I’ll ever be a certified welder, nor do it for a living, I’m more of a mechanic. I just cleaned Up and repaired his Miller Trailblazer 301g. And, no way I’ll let these 3 old welders become doorstops, I have 2 teenage boys that are wanting to use them too. Again, I just want to say thank you for this valuable resource and the time you all take to help guys like me who want to learn a new skill. I welded in that nuke plant when they were building it, way back in 1980. I was just breaking out, was doing structural welding there.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... Wow! I just learned a lot about the rods I have. My father in law was a welder and did a lot of welding in the Nuclear Power plant in Bay City Texas, Also in the chemical plants all over the Houston area. You are all correct about my intentions of general repair. I don’t think I’ll ever be a certified welder, nor do it for a living, I’m more of a mechanic. I just cleaned Up and repaired his Miller Trailblazer 301g. And, no way I’ll let these 3 old welders become doorstops, I have 2 teenage boys that are wanting to use them too. Again, I just want to say thank you for this valuable resource and the time you all take to help guys like me who want to learn a new skill.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... 60XX is tensile strength which isn't too critical on mild steel. The last number (or last 2) is the most important in determining the applications for an electrode.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... I almost fogot………….the welds on the cooker thingy are very nice!!
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... When I used to go in and out of the BNSF container terminal (actually it was still the BN at that time), most of the welds on the rolling stock was 100% 60xx stuff. Those rail cars take a HUGE amount of abuse, and they didn't repair them with 7018 It was fast dirty work, and the string of cars would leave the yard within literally hours. Those guys were guru's at keeping that equipment online.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... 6010 isn't as strong as 7018 but is designed for dynamic loading so is useful for many applications. Much better choice than 6013 or 7014 if want strength. 6010 aren't bothered by moisture either. In fact if they dry out too much they weld funny. You can dip them in water, wring them out and weld away.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... Originally Posted by 12V71 Really? That stuff is used on pipeline every day from the root out to the cap. I should know after burning literally tons of the stuff. The only time you will see "brittle" is on cold roots without enough heat. On 3/8" wall pipe (24" diameter) downhill I normally will run 170-180 amps with a 5/32" rod and cover that with a hot pass at the same amps and rod, then fill out with 3/16" rod at 180-190 amps depending on the outside temps. If it's done right it passes all bend tests. I'm pipeline trained myself. I was speaking more about general repairs, which seems to be the Op's focus. There are other rods much more suitable for general repairs. Pipelines are immediately buried, so there is no mechanical force on the joint, other than pressure. There's a reason 7018 fill and cap are used on above ground piping.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... I know, I'm pipeline trained myself. I was speaking more about general repairs around the farm, which I assume are his intentions. There are other rods that are much more suitable for general repairs.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... I think 6010 and/or 6011 for the small inverters is a very under rated rod for every repairs and non critical projects like welding tables and such.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... 6010 tacks can break easier than 7018, but once you get something welded out, it's not brittle.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... I love to run Lincoln 6010 5P+ rods. The old red flux 6010 rods we used in welding lab was not as much fun. They were digging, sparking sobs. I think the Lincoln 6010 was their first flux coated electrode way back in the 1920’s. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Need criticism on 6010.... I use a lot of 6010 for 1/8” sheet metal welding. I also like using 6010 for welding on rusty trailers etc. 1/8” electrodes is my choice for size. 3/32 6010 just doesn’t lay enough metal down.
Need criticism on 6010....
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... Originally Posted by bakodiver Not bad, is that uphill or on the flat? 6010 is primarily a pipe welding rod, or first pass on a multi-pass full pen weld. Not much use by itself as it is very brittle. Really? That stuff is used on pipeline every day from the root out to the cap. I should know after burning literally tons of the stuff. The only time you will see "brittle" is on cold roots without enough heat. On 3/8" wall pipe (24" diameter) downhill I normally will run 170-180 amps with a 5/32" rod and cover that with a hot pass at the same amps and rod, then fill out with 3/16" rod at 180-190 amps depending on the outside temps. If it's done right it passes all bend tests.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... When I worked on pipeline, they mostly dragged the cap. They did whip the fillers, especially on the bottom. It welds better if you clean the rust off first. I did one recently on my latest smoker build: 5/32 6010 welded on top with an inverter machine.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... Thank you all for the advice! I’ve had this stuff for while but never had the time to play with it. I’m going to keep at it and hopefully start some home projects, I still have a Hobart 140 and a scratch start tig setup for a later date.... I’ll do some T joints then vertical welds And post in a week or so. Again thanks for your time and support on my learning adventure.
Re: Need criticism on 6010.... 6010 is good for more than root passes and pipe welding. Dirty, rusty or painted steel and galvanized steel (wear a respirator). It has deep penetration so is good where 2 pieces fit tight and there is no gap for penetration. Applications like a cap on tubing where the weld will be ground flat. 6010 could have enough penetration to still hold the cap after grinding and would require less grinding because it's a flatter bead. Also a good choice to limit heat warping/distortion and one of only a few electrodes that's recommended for downhand vertical applications. 6010 is also common for tacking applications because it's easy to strike an arc and doesn't get flux covering the end. 6010 can also be used as a polarity check because in most applications it only runs decently on DCRP. (some thin wall pipe applications will suggest using DCSP for less penetration)
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