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Re: Teardown video of a Chinese TIG machine

Careful welding in your cardboard box, it's liable to catch fire 🔥 🔥 🔥.
If you do decide you want an AHP machine, PM me. Cheers [emoji197]

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Everlast is an American company.
Like most American companies it out sources its parts/labor.
I grew up in the '50's Japanese bashing was popular as was avoiding those horrible Germans and their products, well it was a small country,hick town. Also we had to practice duck and cover in case of the Russian A-bomb dropping.

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Hahahahah! Well, you see my cardboard box has recently gotten wet, and I wanted a welder to slap together some galvanized scrap laying around, fashioning a little more sturdy living quarters, all the better to safeguard my Chaucer, Shakespeare, et al. (discarded ratty cheap paperbacks, of course). Also, the bag lady next box over will think I'm quite a catch. As a side benefit, I will hopefully get zinc fever and temporary (perhaps permanently?) forget my sorry state of existence.

PS. An equivalent to an old transformer welder that lasts forever is the Nikon FM2, F3, F2 etc which will last as long as said welder and work equally well. Digital things are great but yes, you know the rest. Now if I can just find that bottle of Mad Dog around here I could get right and straight blotto…

Bravo, good sir!

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Originally Posted by carbon

Hahahahah! Your post is indeed non-defamatory, but it is discriminatory, as in the alternate definition of the word. You are making distinctions or discriminating, which is totally cool, brah. The common definition of discriminatory does indeed mean to create harm by making unfair distinctions, like this race is more stupid than others or everything Chinese sucks, etc. I think with Chinese goods, the trick is the design and the oversight of manufacturing and source materials. I've had Nikon lenses made in China that were just fine.

I have an English major, I can't help it!

PS. I would buy a Miller, Lincoln or some cool euro welder that I haven't even heard of in a heartbeat if I wasn't living in a cardboard box under a bridge with the rest of the English majors.

Well, Mr. Carbon, I will call you and raise you. Since I also have a degree in English (And a JD),. I can assure you that I meant no disrespect to the wonderful Asians living abroad and among us. You do seem to be a very intelligent fellow and I can see that being a scholar in English has certainly enriched your life. Furthermore, I can see that with a certain additional amount of effort along educational lines, it would be possible for you to remove yourself from your unpleasant sleeping quarters. May I suggest law school, or possibly brain surgery.

As to your other thoughts, I think that this would be a wonderful opportunity to pause for a moment and give thanks for the great contributions of the Asian community to our society. Their peaceful and generous nature make them ideal neighbors. lending testimony to their exceptional family values and parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture.

Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people. Real estate values as well are fueled by the mixing of Asian-Americans into an area due to their caring and respectful nature of these communities. This is an example of all that they have achieved through their enthusiasm for self-improvement by hard work and a self-reliant "can-do" nature. Without their industrious and creative drive, we would certainly be poorer as a nation.

They and their colleagues abroad build and design and make wonderful contributions to science, physics, mathematics, art, literature and the humanities. We are blessed to have them among us.

That said, unfortunately the Asians do not build American welding machines that say Miller or Lincoln on them. Thus, I won't buy one.

P.S. Regarding Nikon, I have an old Model 990 Coolpix that has a dead flash. It's been sitting on a shelf here in my office for the past 8 years. The local Nikon repair facility tells me that they will "look at it" for a $200 fee. After that, there will be a charge for parts and the labor to install them. The camera now has a value of approximately $9.00 on eBay. So much for Nikon.

ROTFLMFAO

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Hahahahah! Your post is indeed non-defamatory, but it is discriminatory, as in the alternate definition of the word. You are making distinctions or discriminating, which is totally cool, brah. The common definition of discriminatory does indeed mean to create harm by making unfair distinctions, like this race is more stupid than others or everything Chinese sucks, etc. I think with Chinese goods, the trick is the design and the oversight of manufacturing and source materials. I've had Nikon lenses made in China that were just fine.

I have an English major, I can't help it!

PS. I would buy a Miller, Lincoln or some cool euro welder that I haven't even heard of in a heartbeat if I wasn't living in a cardboard box under a bridge with the rest of the English majors.

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What Mr. carbon says is interesting but I manage to avoid all of that by simply spending a little more and getting a quality Miller and/or Lincoln American-Made welder. Then, I can truly say that I don't have a dog in that fight.

I understand that some people don't have a lot of money and yet want a welding machine. It's OK with me if they buy an Asian-Built unit. It's not my money and I won't have to live with it.

How's that for a non-defamatory, non-discriminatory statement about welders?

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I still can't get over the tone from these factory reps/dealers. You are shooting yourself in the foot here, fellas. Zizzle (here on WW) aka Matt Pratt (YouTube) is not coming down hard on Everlast/AHP. No need for such grade school attacks. If I was the CEO of either company I would not be nice to any rep that acted this way.

There's a simple way to usually identify who is (usually) telling the truth/knows what they're talking about.

Here are my general observations, not specific to this brouhaha. The thought experiment: ignore all the facts for a moment, and listen to to way the poster comes across. Does he sound angry, especially right off the bat, especially if not personally attacked? Big pause. Is there convincing, easily checked evidence given? Good. Is there evidence, freely and pointedly given by the poster that contradicts their own argument (i.e. they suggest they might be wrong or that there are decent specific reasons why someone else might do it differently than themselves)? Very, very good. Are there personal attacks? Big, big, big pause. Do they sound reasonable, evenhanded? Good. Do they sound like they are spouting off? Bad. Are there offers of further dialogue, to work together to come together to arrive at an understanding? Very good. If you say you will check with another professional, do they bristle? Be suspicious (perhaps he's truth-telling but insecure or is he lying and/or not knowing what he's talking about and thus worried?).

This is not foolproof. What is? But it gets you closer.

And of course, what is the background of the poster? Does he have obvious reason to be biased one way? Step carefully, Grasshopper. Does he have a financial interest in his opinion? Step even more carefully, Grasshopper; unless this is a rare case, totally or at least mostly disregard their entire opinion. Is the person qualified to speak about the subject? In this case an electrical engineer, or perhaps a very experienced DIY that has actually built complex things? No? Grand Canyon-sized pause. I don't know any of these fellas' backgrounds, including Matt. Care to say guys? Zizzle/Matt might have said in his vids, I can't remember. I seem to recall Matt being an EE.

On another note:

Remember, this discussion centers around the design (not performance) of welders, and the design's implications down the line. I think Matt/Zizzle presents a balanced approach to (note this word) analyze the design tradeoffs of these welders. A good analysis helps one answer the question, "Are the tradeoffs reasonable?"

Barring sheer unadulterated genius, if there were not tradeoffs, then the welders would be close to the price of a Miller/Lincoln/whatever, correct? Perhaps a bit cheaper due to currency/cost of labor, but close. A potential hobby/art customer wants it to last a reasonable amount of time, work reasonably, and cost reasonably. A pro wants top flight marks in the first two points and is resigned to pay top dollar, and very importantly demands fast repair plus swap out ability from the manufacturer. One intuitively knows a vastly cheaper product is likely, but not always, to be not as good as the spendy one, and most people are ok with that. I hope the Chinese welder companies do not believe that the pubic at large thinks their low-end welders are equivalent to top-end welders; as I just pointed out, there's no reason for that belief, as their customers aren't looking for that!

I ordered an AHP rig and then had to cancel due to lack of funds. In fact I have posted, some time ago, a popular post in Hot Deals linking to the welder on Amazon. What turned me off of Everlast was these strange attacks (a threatened lawsuit for a calm, thoughtful, non-defamatory review? OMG. And note, to defame does not mean to point out flaws and tradeoffs in one's product!).

The fact that AHP dealers are entering the fray against Matt/Zizzle gives me great…pause.

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Yeah, I picked me up a couple of sets.

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My dauhter was driving an E320 not that long ago, and most things were not that different in cost than any other car, and some more, and some less . . . my only observation working on German cars is thatthey love thier fasteners! Gotta have a better tool assortment than for others . . . never hit E-Torx before Mercedes . . . I like them, though . . .

- Tim

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Originally Posted by yesindeed

My sons friend's father is the service manager at a Mercedes dealer, and came home in a twelve cylinder model. I asked him how much it would be used. He said to not even think of the price, worry instead about the service costs . He said the parts are ridiculous. Said brake pad job was close to $400. It sure ain't that much on my old jeep wrangler.

Yes, a few lucky people can afford a 12 cylinder Mercedes. I am not talking about that, but more common models. They offer plenty of more affordable models. Might as well compare it to a FORD GT 40. I happen to currently own a C240. And have previously owned a 190D. My father beats around in an old 240D.

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Any rum is good, We're just nitpicking.

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I find Captain Morgan's spiced rum to be pretty good at times. The amber, silver, or white are all good.

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Don Q is the national rum of Puerto Rico!

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Originally Posted by yesindeed

Go to Puerto Rico and decide if window bars are a big market. Every single building has steel bars on the windows. Even a Burger King had the bars. It was quite strange to see. They must have a burglary problem there.

Para ese ladron.

They sure make some good rum there in the Bacardi factory. I like the Gold.

Re: Teardown video of a Chinese TIG machine

Originally Posted by OMB

Why is it I only see small Chinese machines? What is a "guy on a budget" needing to burn some 5/32 rod buy? Has anyone seen a Chinese MIG that can push 045 wire marketed in the US?

I've done only one window bar project, I never stopped to think that it might be such a big market...

Go to Puerto Rico and decide if window bars are a big market. Every single building has steel bars on the windows. Even a Burger King had the bars. It was quite strange to see. They must have a burglary problem there.

Para ese ladron.

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Originally Posted by lugweld

I have had a couple Mercs used and brake jobs and most equivalent parts are cheaper than on my wife's Ford.

My sons friend's father is the service manager at a Mercedes dealer, and came home in a twelve cylinder model. I asked him how much it would be used. He said to not even think of the price, worry instead about the service costs . He said the parts are ridiculous. Said brake pad job was close to $400. It sure ain't that much on my old jeep wrangler.

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Open your eye lids dude!

Originally Posted by OMB

Why is it I only see small Chinese machines?... Has anyone seen a Chinese MIG that can push 045 wire marketed in the US?...

Re: Teardown video of a Chinese TIG machine

Originally Posted by OMB

Why is it I only see small Chinese machines? What is a "guy on a budget" needing to burn some 5/32 rod buy? Has anyone seen a Chinese MIG that can push 045 wire marketed in the US?

I've done only one window bar project, I never stopped to think that it might be such a big market... I guess I can't see past buckets and projects that I'm running 170A at 80-90% duty cycle.

Everlast makes larger mig machines.

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Originally Posted by WNY_TomB

in China welding stores often would have mountain or pile of little welding machines in store stacked like bricks. normal to see store with 100 welding machines

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most small inverter welders are designed for window bar welding and bars are stainless tubing often only .030 to .060 thick and welding structural steel mostly 5/16" or thinner in thickness. the welder would have a 1 bay garage door type shop often work on floor with abrasive saw, liitle welder and tig torch and tank and have small hand 4" or 4.5" grinder which even tungsten is sharpened with. so smaller grinder that can easily be held in one hand is preferred . if he had a drill press it often was small and on the floor too, shop owner priority is portable welder than usually can work on any 240 volt 15 amp plug found anywhere and powerful enough to easily weld up to 1/4" for 99% of jobs. obviously window bars need installing at high rise condo buildings at customers "home". everything needs to be carried to customers installation area or home so portable light weight machines is number one priority

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Why is it I only see small Chinese machines? What is a "guy on a budget" needing to burn some 5/32 rod buy? Has anyone seen a Chinese MIG that can push 045 wire marketed in the US?

I've done only one window bar project, I never stopped to think that it might be such a big market... I guess I can't see past buckets and projects that I'm running 170A at 80-90% duty cycle.

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Who said anything about service at a dealer? Or AMG? Different animal. I do my own service for the most part. When I can't a local mechanic can take care of the rest. But if it needs Star machine time, it is 85.00/hour...by closest local indie with Star. My mechanic has worked on both cars. And there are a lot of economical aftermarket suppliers of parts...both OEM and non oem suppliers.
http://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/4736...FU82gQodYBoD-Q

A Taurus isn't that cheap for OEM parts or for non OEM high quality parts.

Replaced both alternators on my wifes car and on the mercedes in the last couple of years. 150.00 for a New Bosch replacement on the merc. 199.00 non oem replacement on the Taurus.

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Originally Posted by lugweld

I have had a couple Mercs used and brake jobs and most equivalent parts are cheaper than on my wife's Ford.

I'm gonna have to throw the BS flag on that one. I've had and worked on MB and I have a BMW and a Ford. Parts for German cars are at least the same but most of the time more expensive. Service at the dealer is also premium and will cost you especially if your car has an "AMG" or "M" badge on it. On the flipside they are generally easier to work on and they have a sensor for everything so you usually know what's wrong before you pop the hood.

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I have had a couple Mercs used and brake jobs and most equivalent parts are cheaper than on my wife's Ford.

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Originally Posted by KMA

Yup. I feel the same way about both of my Mercedes. I'll never buy a different brand. MB service is definitely worth the price of admission. Highly recommend them to you guys.

Whats a brake job cost on that ride?

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Originally Posted by gnm109

I could understand him bragging about his Chinese welders. I don't like it when someone runs down a great American company that I know well and which has served me and my friends for so many years.

Take it from me your "great American company" isn't all that great and maybe you don't know it as well as you think you do.

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Never ran anything down. Just said you are either ignorant or misinformed about the companies you are brashly heralding. Never made any judgement about them one way or the other as you have with other companies. Never promoted mine in this context of your statements. Just saying you don't know where the company you are talking about sources many/most of its components, and in some cases, its units. With the logic you are using though, I can see where the confusion comes from about it.