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Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

You are a poster case for a new small wire feeder. Personally wouldn't worry about getting one with every feature they ever invented. There are so may imports that are good but guys rattle 3 or 4 names of them in the same sentence and can't remember them all. Get as large a C25 bottle as you can, get 240 vo unit and 030 solid wire.
I live in Michigan, I met Carl, agree great guy and super smart.
This is a machine that you wish you would have bought long time ago once you get it and the tig will gather a layer of dust.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

The job that prompted this post was welding some 2 1/2" diameter 16 gauge tube, I don't know what the joint is called, a saddle joint? One piece coped on the end to fit over the other tube diameter at right angles. Anyway, I did not do the fit up-the owner did-with a sawzall. mistake # 1- it had huge gaps 1/4 to 1/2"which I did some correction on with a grinder, in a hurry, while letting the guy wait. (mistake #2.)

First tried 6013 3/32 about 45 amps. Kept burning through. Should have done as suggested and just kept a bunch of tacks, then cool, then tack. Not enough experience.
Then said enough and tigged it with all the attendant crap contaminate coming off the tube.
Fortunately this was a non structural repair. (otherwise I would have refused to do it.)

I have a bunch of 16 gauge galvanized tube scrap to learn on. I watched CEP (RIP)weld a gate bracket to this material using a old engine drive Lincoln, a wire feeder and .045 wire. Dual shield, IIRC. I asked if he wanted to test on a piece of the scrap and he said, "I have welded miles of this stuff.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

If they are in a shop which is likely I would be at a loss without a solid wire machine. It isbt that there arnt other ways to do this work but there are not much easier, guy said think farm stiff, its what we do and 99% of it can be done with simple wire welder. He needs to fill gaps and cracks, poor fits that are frustrating with stick are a whiz with solid.
10 inch mobile home beam, 10 or 11 ga web and we put the pencil there to show the gap. The beam was short, but 3 steps to weld the web flush, welded the middle till it dropped out, then top down, the bottom had cooled and welded the last of it, maybe a minute, no slag in this deal, super fast and easier to weld out than fix a fit or fuss with stick. It can be done but niot as cheap easy and really as good as solid. Can fill the gap and weld it out in a single pass. In the middle pic, little 3/4 tack/weld, would be diffic ult for a real welder to do that with stick, would get old fast, wire not a deal.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Just learn to weld. Flux core will be fine. If doing repair, tubular wire is better than hauling a tank for solid.

Good luck.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by stoneaxe

I have a Lincoln 200 tig. I have problems with thinwall galvanized, painted or dirty sheet metal,- stuff that is too thin to easily stick weld, and too dirty for tig. Think farm repair.

Would a mig welder with flux core make it easier to weld this sort of thing? What sort of amp range and wire size would be good?

I was thinking something like a Miller 141 or 211 , Hobart 210MVP, Lincoln powermig 210,etc. budget under 2K .

This is for home shop use- general repair,and fabrication.

Thanks for your help!

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3/32 6013 at about 65 to 75 amps 16ga tubing using inline weave and or dab dab welding, plenty youtube videos show dab dab thats
rod on hot side of amps (burn through in 3 or 4 seconds) you lean rod alot 45 degree at least, weld a second stop wait weld a second
stop wait, etc you are putting a dab of weld on stopping to cool, thats why called dab dab
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if .040" thick often many use 5/64 or 2mm 6013 at 50-55 amps, some use fluxless rod held on weld area and welding over rod and welding
.040" together, think sheetmetal studs used for basement walls, often dont need the rod just weld over tight no gap joint.
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sure Youtube videos some welds not perfect but plenty videos showing 16ga tubing often galvanized being stick welded. sure they show
filling 1/8" gaps with weld but it usually better to get better tighter weld joint
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now if you want more toys (welding machines) to play with thats another matter, just dont say cannot stick weld 16ga tubing

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by Dan

The compact 200 amp Miller and Lincoln units have become insanely priced. I paid $1250 for my Multimatic
215 five yrs ago. Now they're asking price is pushing $2100.

There seems to be a fair number of failure posts on the ESAB Rebels, so they're on my no way in hell list.

The Hobart Handler 190 and 210 MVP have had a solid 10+ yr run of production. Reason being because they are solid units.
My current Hobart unit is a Multi-Handler 200. Since I haven't welded much at home in the past 2 yrs I really haven't used it much to give an opinion on it.

I was looking at the miller 211- one of the online stores has them for about 1850. And Lincoln is offering a 400 buck rebate on the 210MP.
I have no clue about how they compare, or ease of use by a beginner to MIG.
Given Oscars comment about the difficulty of using flux core wire, maybe I better figure on solid.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

The compact 200 amp Miller and Lincoln units have become insanely priced. I paid $1250 for my Multimatic
215 five yrs ago. Now they're asking price is pushing $2100.

There seems to be a fair number of failure posts on the ESAB Rebels, so they're on my no way in hell list.

The Hobart Handler 190 and 210 MVP have had a solid 10+ yr run of production. Reason being because they are solid units.
My current Hobart unit is a Multi-Handler 200. Since I haven't welded much at home in the past 2 yrs I really haven't used it much to give an opinion on it.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

I agree 👍.

Most of my work the spec call out no solid wire only stick or fluxcore. So all my welding was with stick or fluxcore.

When work in machine shops they used solid wire E70S-3 and C25 nice and easy.

Dave

Originally Posted by Oscar

16ga is doable. Gasless flux core wire will be more difficult to run than solid wire using C25 gas, but if you have enough scrap to practice on, and are determined, it can be done. 030 diameter (for either case) would be sufficient. A machine with infinitely variable voltage and wirefeed speed would be ideal. On the low end 55-60 IPM would give good adjustability.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by stoneaxe

Sorry, I had no internet where I was hiking. Mt.Baker. (I posted just before I left.)
In regards to queries about "how thin", about 16 gauge.
Is flux core wire something to consider here, for general maintenance work?

16ga is doable. Gasless flux core wire will be more difficult to run than solid wire using C25 gas, but if you have enough scrap to practice on, and are determined, it can be done. 030 diameter (for either case) would be sufficient. A machine with infinitely variable voltage and wirefeed speed would be ideal. On the low end 55-60 IPM would give good adjustability.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by danielplace

3 days on this one already.

https://weldingweb.com/vbb/members/581571-stoneaxe

Sorry, I had no internet where I was hiking. Mt.Baker. (I posted just before I left.)
In regards to queries about "how thin", about 16 gauge.
Is flux core wire something to consider here, for general maintenance work?

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

I can see be real handy for field work were welding is not primary work being do.

Great for tool box 🧰.

I see lot of Miller welders on service truck and about used for is 120 generator and almost never as a welder.

Dave

Originally Posted by tapwelder

http://readywelder.com/

I used one years ago.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by smithdoor

Interesting video.
I guess next is a hand held fluxcore welder.

Dave

http://readywelder.com/


I used one years ago.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Under $200.00 Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Welding-Porta.../dp/B09PH4WDQ7

Dave

Originally Posted by 52 Ford

Ah, yes. 200 amps on that 1/8" rod. Seems legit.

Wonder what electrode that was. 7018 or 6013... Leaning towards 7018. Flux seems a bit "thin" for a 6013.

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Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Interesting video.
I guess next is a hand held fluxcore welder.

Dave

Originally Posted by Oscar

Yes, he's quite the entertainer.

I found this video. Looks like most are geared towards the international market with the EU plug hence why most are 220V input. I assumed the handle was empty but I guess not.



Looks a super mega ultra compactified version of the one I bought a couple years ago, except mine is dual-voltage.

And look at this chick go!




I thought the demo was going to be disastrous, but she actually knows what she's doing!


Ya know, with the right 3D printed enclosure, I bet I could add a belt loop to the side, and you can just wear it on your hip when you need to go a small mobile welding job.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by bead-boy

He doesn't even visit the site for several days after starting the thread.

That's OK. We seem to have no problem entertaining ourselves.

3 days on this one already.

https://weldingweb.com/vbb/members/581571-stoneaxe

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by Oscar

Yes, he's quite the entertainer.

I found this video. Looks like most are geared towards the international market with the EU plug hence why most are 220V input. I assumed the handle was empty but I guess not.



Looks a super mega ultra compactified version of the one I bought a couple years ago, except mine is dual-voltage.

And look at this chick go!




I thought the demo was going to be disastrous, but she actually knows what she's doing!


Ya know, with the right 3D printed enclosure, I bet I could add a belt loop to the side, and you can just wear it on your hip when you need to go a small mobile welding job. [emoji23]

Ah, yes. 200 amps on that 1/8" rod. Seems legit.

Wonder what electrode that was. 7018 or 6013... Leaning towards 7018. Flux seems a bit "thin" for a 6013.

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Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by 52 Ford

I believe it was 'This Old Tony' on YouTube that coined the phrase "Death Toaster" for those tiny inverter welders.

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Yes, he's quite the entertainer.

I found this video. Looks like most are geared towards the international market with the EU plug hence why most are 220V input. I assumed the handle was empty but I guess not.



Looks a super mega ultra compactified version of the one I bought a couple years ago, except mine is dual-voltage.

And look at this chick go!




I thought the demo was going to be disastrous, but she actually knows what she's doing!


Ya know, with the right 3D printed enclosure, I bet I could add a belt loop to the side, and you can just wear it on your hip when you need to go a small mobile welding job.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by Oscar

The ultra-small inverter stick welder was $60. Never got zapped on it.

I believe it was 'This Old Tony' on YouTube that coined the phrase "Death Toaster" for those tiny inverter welders.

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Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by 52 Ford

How would YOU know?

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and to quote 52 Ford….

“that seems to be the theme with folks on the forum”

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by 52 Ford

100 dollar welder. Umm... wear rubber gloves... lest you wanna get zapped.

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The ultra-small inverter stick welder was $60. Never got zapped on it.

Originally Posted by bead-boy

I see a 110 volt version on wallyworld dot com for $65

https://tinyurl.com/32ay85av

That's a good find relatively speaking, but I have noticed that in some pictures of that style welder, it shows 220V on the sticker, but the description says 110/120V. The one I found was 220V, but now that I think about it, I might cancel that order since someone who would actually buy and want this style, likely isn't going to plug it into 220-240V.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Big can of JB WELD

Dave

Think farm repair

Originally Posted by Sberry

Buy a rugged stand alone common feeder. He already has a stick tig machine. Pro Mig or Hobart would be on top of my list, the 190 is spooly ready too. If you need 120V then not 4 u but there are a lot of machines on the used market and those are 2 you rarely see cause people buys them keep em.
They sell 140's,,, to buy those.
While the tig he has is ok its,,, I shouldnt say useless, you can be a fartstick and use it for farm equipment but the constant light ga common steel work is every day, or can be and exhaust, broken brackets fenders, any kind of saheet metal contraption, lots of it in farm. The wire feed was the Godsend for that work, got one prolly made 30000 welds, 50-75 rolls of wire thru it, just a guess, some longer welds but 1000;s of them like a pit stop where we got a unit next to the bench, longest thing is to remember where the hood is.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by bead-boy

That's OK. We seem to have no problem entertaining ourselves.

How would YOU know?

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Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

He doesn't even visit the site for several days after starting the thread.

That's OK. We seem to have no problem entertaining ourselves.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

Originally Posted by psacustomcreations

30 responses to a person who posted once and never replied again.

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he started a thread about cast iron lately.

50 odd responses and nothing but his original post.

Re: Sell me on a welder type for thinwall steel, dirty steel.

30 responses to a person who posted once and never replied again.

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