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Re: Miller did it. They really really did it. Dynasty280

Originally Posted by Mick120

You'd need to save more than pennys over here mate....probably twice the price for it here.....

2 to 3 years ago I would have agreed with you.
I think Miller finally realised they had lost so much market share to companies like Fronius and Kemppi that actually competed in the market.
I know when I was looking at Dynasty 350's a couple of years ago the price was over Aus $8000 for power source only and when I bought one (power source only) a month or so ago I paid Aus $6700 inc GST.
Dynasty 200 machines are now priced significantly below those of Kemppi and way below Fronius.
Regards Andrew from Oz.

Re: Miller did it. They really really did it. Dynasty280

Originally Posted by con_fuse9

I have the 350 (which I love) but I would agree. Buy the 200, take the extra money and buy a 250ish MIG with a quality spool gun - used is OK. A Miller 251 or 252 would match nicely in case you are blue skinned

The extra 80 amps will take care of a ton of AC or DC work exponentially. On AC you will no longer have to wait to weld it. The alum will just glaze and you can start adding filler. I do agree, as far as portability the 280 can't do 115volts.

Re: Miller did it. They really really did it. Dynasty280

Originally Posted by 76GMC1500

The 200 is EXTREMELY capable and very portable. The 350 does not give much more capability and is much less portable. How often do you do aluminum over 1/4 inch and 200 amps will do just about anything except wire feed and carbon arc on steel.

I have the 350 (which I love) but I would agree. Buy the 200, take the extra money and buy a 250ish MIG with a quality spool gun - used is OK. A Miller 251 or 252 would match nicely in case you are blue skinned

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Originally Posted by weedenb

Thanks for the reply weldermike,

The Synchrowaves are very fine units, have several 250's at work that I play with once and awhile running on 480v 3-ph with water coolers. I would love to have one at home but that's the crux of the issue. The transformers are about as bullet proof as you can get but they take a lot of juice and weigh a lot. I've put in several bids on used 250's over the years with no luck so far. The old 200 and new 210 look very nice but other than all the parameters being adjustable they don't really have much more to offer than my old Econotig has. Don't get me wrong as that old girl is still the most used welder I have. In the last few weeks I've DC tigged some stainless, AC tigged some 3" aluminum flanged tee's and burnt up a bunch of 7018 stick on plain old steel. Its always been there for me but I just feel bad running it flat out on heavier aluminum. By comparison my Betamig and MM350P-Alum MIG units have life pretty easy. There is a place for a good multi-process unit in everyone's home, its just hard finding the right home for the ones available.

Look a little further into it bud. Minus a/c stick its basically a plain dynasty, not a dx a little bigger and alot cheaper.

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Originally Posted by 7A749

Five grand+ for the DX model.

Just put a little more with it & buy the 350

IMHO of course

The 200 is EXTREMELY capable and very portable. The 350 does not give much more capability and is much less portable. How often do you do aluminum over 1/4 inch and 200 amps will do just about anything except wire feed and carbon arc on steel.

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Originally Posted by weldermike

Syncrowave 210 brother!

Thanks for the reply weldermike,

The Synchrowaves are very fine units, have several 250's at work that I play with once and awhile running on 480v 3-ph with water coolers. I would love to have one at home but that's the crux of the issue. The transformers are about as bullet proof as you can get but they take a lot of juice and weigh a lot. I've put in several bids on used 250's over the years with no luck so far. The old 200 and new 210 look very nice but other than all the parameters being adjustable they don't really have much more to offer than my old Econotig has. Don't get me wrong as that old girl is still the most used welder I have. In the last few weeks I've DC tigged some stainless, AC tigged some 3" aluminum flanged tee's and burnt up a bunch of 7018 stick on plain old steel. Its always been there for me but I just feel bad running it flat out on heavier aluminum. By comparison my Betamig and MM350P-Alum MIG units have life pretty easy. There is a place for a good multi-process unit in everyone's home, its just hard finding the right home for the ones available.

Re: Miller did it. They really really did it. Dynasty280

You smurf!

My next tax return hopefully the wifey lets me get one so it can sit in the garage and collect dust like my TB

Originally Posted by 7A749

I admit, I went into the LWS today & priced the dumbed down one.

Lets say I was quite surprised at the number & started to scheme.....

Duane & I both laughed & said we should buy one so we could brag about beating Terry to the punch on it

Really, at what dude quoted me, it's not entirely insane to think about possibly getting one. Of course, I need a Dynasty like I need another hole in the head. LMAO

Deep down, I'll always be a blue fan boy.....

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Originally Posted by weedenb

Dammit! My bank account is still recovering from my recent MM350P Alumipro acquisition. Now all my excuses I've used the last 6 years for not buying a Thermal Arc 185 or Dynasty 200 are gone. Like many others, the +300 amp inverters are too much but the >/=200 amp aren't enough. Forget about all the great deals on used stuff because I'm single phase 240v ~50-70 amp max supply range. This whole time my poor little Econotig has been filling in for AC tig aluminum, might as well take the knob off because its permanently set to kill setting, fortunately I can't hold onto the air cooled torch much longer than the thermal shutdown breaker holds out. I need 1/4" + with a reasonable duty cycle which has kept me back from pulling the trigger on the TA or Dynasty so far. Yes the 350 Dynasty is the easy answer but my pile of cash always seems to end up elsewhere

Please give user/owner reports as they come in!

Syncrowave 210 brother!

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Dammit! My bank account is still recovering from my recent MM350P Alumipro acquisition. Now all my excuses I've used the last 6 years for not buying a Thermal Arc 185 or Dynasty 200 are gone. Like many others, the +300 amp inverters are too much but the >/=200 amp aren't enough. Forget about all the great deals on used stuff because I'm single phase 240v ~50-70 amp max supply range. This whole time my poor little Econotig has been filling in for AC tig aluminum, might as well take the knob off because its permanently set to kill setting, fortunately I can't hold onto the air cooled torch much longer than the thermal shutdown breaker holds out. I need 1/4" + with a reasonable duty cycle which has kept me back from pulling the trigger on the TA or Dynasty so far. Yes the 350 Dynasty is the easy answer but my pile of cash always seems to end up elsewhere

Please give user/owner reports as they come in!

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Funny,

I watched an Arcmaster 300 sell for $1200 on eBay last month. Except for the max AC frequency and the waveforms, it will do everything that Dynasty 280 will.

Never popped a 50 amp breaker with my Arcmaster 300. I still believe that a used one is THE machine to look for. Cannot beat the price.

Re: Miller did it. They really really did it. Dynasty280

Originally Posted by Silicon-based

Well, I like my 300GTSW but it's on its last legs and the Dynasty 280's looking pretty good right now. Half the current draw too, which is more important to me than the waveforms. It would also be a better color match for the Coolmate 3 that the Thermal Arc is sitting on now.

Also considering the HTP221 because it will run on 120V and has more amps (on 240) than any other such machine. Decisions, decisions...

John

Not sure about half.. Never seen a larger Thermal Sanrex run close to it's rated amp draw. Must rate them at a dead short in stick mode. Always could could run over 200 amps on a 30 amp/ 240 volt circuit (GTSW/TSW 300) My MST 400 will run on a 60 amp /240 volt single phase circuit at very close to 500 amp mig output..

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Originally Posted by soutthpaw

Careful Steve, you are about to be mobbed by Smurfs (little blue fanboys)

That's what us Miller fans are called? I love it.


kidtigger24

Re: Miller did it. They really really did it. Dynasty280

Well, I like my 300GTSW but it's on its last legs and the Dynasty 280's looking pretty good right now. Half the current draw too, which is more important to me than the waveforms. It would also be a better color match for the Coolmate 3 that the Thermal Arc is sitting on now.

Also considering the HTP221 because it will run on 120V and has more amps (on 240) than any other such machine. Decisions, decisions...

John

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Not sure, but it looks like a ten year old Thermal-arc with a bit more wave programing. Nothing new to look at here. Probably will weld as nice as a the older Thermal using the soft sq wave setting.

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Originally Posted by 7A749

LMAO! Pile of cash.....

Yeah, as I was saying earlier, for a guy like you, it's a no brainer. You use them & you make lots of money with them. Of course, to make money, you gotta spend it too.

For a guy like me, I just couldn't justify the cost for how little I would use it. I hardly use my S'Wave as it is.

It looks really sweet. If it was priced a little less, I would prolly own one. Like I was saying earlier with the Dynasty 200, it's a great little machine, but for that kind of money, I want more amps.

If there comes a day I need one for work, ill buy one. Right now it just isn't a need & most all the welding I do in the field is DC TIG, flux core or stick. I've got a spool gun for the occasional field repair on heavy AL.

Ahhh, but if you did buy one, you would use it more. Dynastys are the crack cocaine of welders.

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Well Steve, my little Dynasty200 is 4 years old now. It gets used on average of 20hrs/week. That means I have done $32000 worth of biz with it. At 4 time cost for ROI, it was paid for in 2 years in theory. At the time I bought it I had a batch of field jobs that requiered use of housecurrent for power or a generator. At $100/hr, the ROI was taken care of in short order.

My Dynasty350s get rode hard AC @ 350 amps output 30 hours a week. These machines are the workhorse of my shop. I came to find out they last longer the more consistently you use them. My last Dynasty350 "ChiComed" at 8000 hours. I climbed down off my pile of cash and rang up my LWS and ordered a frivolity, a Dynasty700.

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Originally Posted by 7A749

If it was about $1500 or so cheaper, I would go out & buy one this week.

The 200 is "affordable" but for three grand +, I want more amps. The portability is where I really see the 280 filling the need for on site guys who need a bigger machine than the 200 DX, but around the same size & weight.

Yeah, it's really cool. Just too expensive for this guy.

After you buy one & test it out, you can sell it to me cheap....

If there's anything left of it

You know it is the only I don't have yet. It will round out my collection. Remember I have a Dynasty350 you can have for free!

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Careful Steve, you are about to be mobbed by Smurfs (little blue fanboys) the real area for competition here is the likes of ESAB, HTP etc who can make a similar machine of equal quality for $1000-$1500 less. Not sure about Thermal Arc anymore. Seems they decided to compete for the Chicom market instead of the red and blue one.

Sent w/ Tapatalk using Swype, pls excuse typos

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Look carefully at the standard model. This is the magical "EZ" model that takes the gueswork out of setup. You can download and diagnose through your smartphone. You can contact Miller techsupport and they can view your weld parameters. This is really tig and stick for "dummys".

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Originally Posted by Mr. Moose

Depending on the price point, the 280DX may be a good option for those thinking about a 200DX. Miller has stripped out the most important features of the 350DX though, and with comparison to the 350DX, a machine built with twice the weight, you can draw your own conclusions as to which machine the 280DX most compares. If you need portable, that's a real consideration, but don't think you're getting a lighter, reduced output 350DX.

Looking at the specs of the 280DX, the only things missing compared to the 350 are independent amplitude adjustment on AC and being able to save some programs. They tightened up the balance to 50-99% EN and topped out the DC pulse frequency at 500, but the other adjustment ranges look comparable. Are there other features (aside from amps/duty cycle) on the 350 that I'm missing that are not in the 280DX?

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well.. isn't that cute...

INVERTIG.PRO DIGITAL 450 AC/DC TIG SET

Only 31 kg in weight!
A massive 450 amps @ 100% Duty Cycle - Weld all day!
High Frequency Pulsing up to 3000 Hz

Advanced Inverter Power Source

Output current: 3 - 450 Amps
Duty cycle: 450 Amps @ 100 % (40°C)
Input voltage: 400 V / 3 phase
Fuse Rating: 32 Amp
Weight: 31 kg
Size [mm]: 520x360x460

http://www.rehm.co.uk/invertig.pro-digital.html

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That's a lot of Do Re Me.

Wonder what the online price will be?

Also wonder if there will be a glut of used 200's on the market soon.

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Depending on the price point, the 280DX may be a good option for those thinking about a 200DX. Miller has stripped out the most important features of the 350DX though, and with comparison to the 350DX, a machine built with twice the weight, you can draw your own conclusions as to which machine the 280DX most compares. If you need portable, that's a real consideration, but don't think you're getting a lighter, reduced output 350DX.

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Dang, I have no need for such a beast, but I'm drooling

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Originally Posted by 7A749

Five grand+ for the DX model.

Just put a little more with it & buy the 350

IMHO of course

I want both, 280 and 350 maybe even a 200 If I can only have one, I think I would rather have the 280. The 280 is 83LBS lighter, only 52LBS for the machine. That's means it is still easily portable, that's something I really like. If I wanted a machine that would never leave the shop I would want the 350(700 would be nice too), but the extra amps would be rarely used so keeping it portable would be better. Plus..even if I got a 350 I would keep my Airco, I can get all the amps I need from it just not all the fancy settings.