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    Best stick welder for a newbie

    Once again, as i posted on my other thread about running pipeline. I am fairly new to the welding world, so don't laugh at my inexperience haha. Anyhow, i wanna know what would the best stick welding machine for a newbie like me. I wanna be able to weld using 6010 as well as 7018 rods. So what would be the best cheap but reliable welding machine for that? Also been reading about ac/dc and dc machines. Still a little confused, but just my question. I'm looking into buying a machine to weld at home and practice myself. Thanks!
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    Get you an SA 200 or 250 to practice with. That is the preferred machine for pipe line welders, so might as well get used to that machine since you want to go pipelining eventually anyway. Then you will be set up for a machine, and then just need the truck to haul it on.
    Getting one of these machines, means you won't have to worry about if you have enough electrical power to supply it, or getting a 240 receptacle installed. Just pour in the required fuel, fire it up and start welding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bistineau View Post
    Get you an SA 200 or 250 to practice with. That is the preferred machine for pipe line welders, so might as well get used to that machine since you want to go pipelining eventually anyway. Then you will be set up for a machine, and then just need the truck to haul it on.
    Getting one of these machines, means you won't have to worry about if you have enough electrical power to supply it, or getting a 240 receptacle installed. Just pour in the required fuel, fire it up and start welding.
    He's a high school senior so that probably isn't an option right now.

    angler, Any ac or ac/dc buzzbox will serve you well (Lincoln tombstone, Miller Thunderbolt, Hobart Stickmate, etc).
    Here is a Lincoln 225 AC machine in Alvin for $125. Not a bad deal in this area and it looks like it has plenty of lead. Do you have a 240v outlet in your garage or wherever you will be welding? Even an electric dryer plug will get you more than half of the max output of this machine.
    I prefer the Thunderbolt because the amperage has infinite adjustment whereas the Lincoln has tapped settings.
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    Cheap and reliable AC/DC welder?
    (you need the DC for your 6010 and 7018 rods - they taught you that right?)

    I'm a fan of the Miller Dialarc - it can be found down in the $200-$300 range and you can practice all day with it.

    Many of the smaller home-owner machines like the little Lincoln 225 and Miller Thunderbolt are very good little welders - but not if you want to practice to pipeline.

    The Lincoln Idealarc is also a top choice.

    For modern inverters, cheap is normally not in the cards if you want it big enough to do serious hours of non-stop practice - in my opinion.
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    Stick to the major name brands and stay away from the cheap box store imports. If you are going used, I'd hold out for an AC/DC machine.
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    Cheap and reliable AC/DC welder?
    (you need the DC for your 6010 and 7018 rods - they taught you that right?)

    I'm a fan of the Miller Dialarc - it can be found down in the $200-$300 range and you can practice all day with it.

    Many of the smaller home-owner machines like the little Lincoln 225 and Miller Thunderbolt are very good little welders - but not if you want to practice to pipeline.

    The Lincoln Idealarc is also a top choice.

    For modern inverters, cheap is normally not in the cards if you want it big enough to do serious hours of non-stop practice - in my opinion.
    Unfortunately for him, he won't find a Dialarc in this area for less than $500 or $600. The one I got for $325 was a fluke.
    For $200-$300 you are fortunate to find an ac/dc lincoln or miller machine. I'm going to keep my eyes open for him. He only lives about 20 minutes from me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravel View Post
    He's a high school senior so that probably isn't an option right now.

    angler, Any ac or ac/dc buzzbox will serve you well (Lincoln tombstone, Miller Thunderbolt, Hobart Stickmate, etc).
    Here is a Lincoln 225 AC machine in Alvin for $125. Not a bad deal in this area and it looks like it has plenty of lead. Do you have a 240v outlet in your garage or wherever you will be welding? Even an electric dryer plug will get you more than half of the max output of this machine.
    I prefer the Thunderbolt because the amperage has infinite adjustment whereas the Lincoln has tapped settings.
    He did ask about the best, didn't he? I think for the line of work he is planning on getting into, this would be one of the best for him to consider. There will be no need to upgrade for quite awhile either, so that makes it an even better choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bistineau View Post
    He did ask about the best, didn't he? I think for the line of work he is planning on getting into, this would be one of the best for him to consider. There will be no need to upgrade for quite awhile either, so that makes it an even better choice.
    True story. But wouldn't he get spoiled to that perfect DC wave?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravel View Post
    True story. But wouldn't he get spoiled to that perfect DC wave?
    If your going to be learning, might as well learn on good equipment, eliminates any confusion on whether it's the man or machine that is not performing as needed. As for getting spoiled. Since it will be his machine for many years to come, he can keep himself spoiled on it for all I care. There is the added benefit of getting to disturb the neighbors every time he wants to do some welding. Always a GOOD time.

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    I paid $200.00 for this Lincoln SA-200. Paid $294.00 for the Everlast PowerArc 300. The PA-300 with stack 6010 every bit as nice as the SA-200, but it won't run 7018 as nice as the SA-200.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEP View Post
    I paid $200.00 for this Lincoln SA-200. Paid $294.00 for the Everlast PowerArc 300. The PA-300 with stack 6010 every bit as nice as the SA-200, but it won't run 7018 as nice as the SA-200.
    You paid $200 for the SA 200? Holy smokes. I need to get to know the people you do! That's mind blowing. I just saw a SAE-500 on the back of a truck driving by. What a nice machine.

    Oh and to the OP, as tempting as it may be, don't buy a craftsman 95 amp Arc welder from Sears, or any welder from harbor freight. You will regret it sooner than later.
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    CEP, is that cloth covering a classified project?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lighttekku View Post
    You paid $200 for the SA 200?
    Yup. Paid $250.00 for this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by storeman View Post
    CEP, is that cloth covering a classified project?
    You mean the red rag? It's covering the spool gun to the V350-Pro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEP View Post
    Yup. Paid $250.00 for this one.
    You have two? :O
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    Quote Originally Posted by lighttekku View Post
    You have two? :O
    Oh at one time I had 5 or 6, now I'm down to just 3!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEP View Post
    Oh at one time I had 5 or 6, now I'm down to just 3!
    Jeezum. I guess it's good to have backups! How many welders do you own?
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    Texas_angler, found you an SA200, just find CEP's house!

    Quote Originally Posted by CEP View Post
    Yup. Paid $250.00 for this one.
    In 1960?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lighttekku View Post
    Jeezum. I guess it's good to have backups! How many welders do you own?
    Keep in mind, CEP is ONLY a hobby welder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CEP View Post
    Oh at one time I had 5 or 6, now I'm down to just 3!
    CEP - in the pictures and prices you posted - is that the condition they were in when you bought them? Or did they require a total rebuild?

    I've been seeing them pop up at on-line auctions I frequent but have been hesitant to buy because of potential rebuild cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bistineau View Post
    Keep in mind, CEP is ONLY a hobby welder.
    And he's only been welding for 2 weeks and a few days!

    Quote Originally Posted by CEP View Post
    Yes!
    I've only been welding for about 2-weeks now, but you'll want your 6010, and 7018 welds to look more like these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEP View Post
    Yup. Paid $250.00 for this one.
    Show us a photo of it before the restoration!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lighttekku View Post
    How many welders do you own?
    Only 9 or 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravel View Post
    In 1960?
    No, I think it was 3 or 4, maybe 5-years ago. Here on the west coast they go cheap sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bistineau View Post
    Keep in mind, CEP is ONLY a hobby welder.
    A hobby welder. Must be nice to have so many nice machines. With enough practice and patience I may be able to call myself a hobby welder in a couple years.
    Quote Originally Posted by newbury View Post
    And he's only been welding for 2 weeks and a few days!
    So I've been told. But they also tell me not to believe what I read on the internet, I'm guessing that's one of the things they refer to.
    Quote Originally Posted by CEP View Post
    Only 9 or 10.


    No, I think it was 3 or 4, maybe 5-years ago. Here on the west coast they go cheap sometimes.
    Oh is that all. And here I was thinking you owned a bunch.

    Wanna add a craftsman 95 to your collection? I have a feeling you might have a welder I'd be willing to trade it for
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbury View Post
    CEP - in the pictures and prices you posted - is that the condition they were in when you bought them? Or did they require a total rebuild?
    Mostly just some body work, I bought a new hood for the Short hood. And paint. It cost about $150.00 to paint one. The Red face didn't weld when I bought it, 15-minutes after I got it home I had it welding.

    Quote Originally Posted by forhire View Post
    Show us a photo of it before the restoration!
    Here you go.
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