Loader mounting points

[vwguy3]

I am putting a front end loader on a 1971 Ford 4000. The loader bolts under the rear axle "trumpets" and to a large mount in the front that bolts to the front of the tractor(it also is the mount for the hyd pump). The front mount does not fit my tractor so my choces are to build a new mount or mount the fron of the loader in a different place. The tractor has threaded "pads" mid point, I am guessing for mounting cultivator on a row crop style tractor.
I would like to cut the "beams" that run forward and build mounts that bolt to the mid pads.
My question is, does the tractor care how the load goes from the loader through the tractor to the ground?

[propanehotrod]

The answer is..... It depends. Can you get some pics? Those little 4000's are pretty solid tractors. I'd be tempted to make a u shape bracket that uses the front and side mounts.

[aevald]

Hello vwquy3, the actual mounting points that matter are the center mounts that are almost directly under the clutch(should be 4 - 5/8" or 3/4" threaded holes there), I believe you can also tie into 2 points (I think there are 2 holes on each side and they are either 5/8" or 3/4" too) on the side of the transmission housing that are on both sides and above the 4 bottom holes. Once you have tied in there you can put trailing arms onto your loader sub-structure that extend back to the rear axle area, likely tying into the mounts that hold the fenders on from the underside. The front frame that you see on a lot of tractors is more of a bumper than a structural item, unless it is a quick-attach type loader, then the geometry and support are different. If I have some time I'll see if I can come up with a sketch.


Good luck and best regards, Allan

[labparamour]

Would using center mount for the front portion of the loader mount put more flex on tranny/engine (carrying the downward load of the bucket weight)? My compact tractor has rear mount at tranny/engine and front support at front, above axle.
I had an old Massey Ferguson that I made arms similar to "quick attach-type" loader that attached on the frame by the front axle and came up to support the arms on the loader frame (the rear of the frame attached to the rear axle/fender mount).

DB

[aevald]

Hello again vwguy3, if your tractor looks similar to this one you definitely have some points that are solid enough to accommodate a loader. Take a look here and see if this is similar to yours.



Best regards, Allan

[123weld]

[QUOTE=labparamour;6497901
I had an old Massey Ferguson that I made arms similar to "quick attach-type" loader that attached on the frame by the front axle and came up to support the arms on the loader frame (the rear of the frame attached to the rear axle/fender mount).

DB[/QUOTE]

i did a front loader add on on an old massey 135, and thought everything was ok. well, front axle bushing couldn't handle the weight. so i altered that. i think its almost a losing proposition to add a loader to a tractor that wasn't made for one if you use it for regular use. if you baby the thing, and keep the hired help off it, maybe you can skim by. to many weak links

[vwguy3]

Allan, that is VERY close to what mine looks like. There is, in fact, another mount below the one in the bell housing area you show.
This loader was on a Massey Ferguson and I believe it is a M/F loader. The front "frame" acts as the attachment point, pump mount and grill guard.

Thanks to all for the input.

[aevald]

Good luck on your project and definitely provide some pictures of the progress. Best regards, Allan

[BD1]

I would check with Ford and see how and where Ford manufactured loaders are designed and mounted. Will your front axle handle it?

[vwguy3]

Part of the reason I bought this particular tractor is that it is an SU model and I was told by a long time implement dealer that SU means super utility. It supposedly has a heavier front axle, heavier rear axle planetaries and diff lock.
I' will take pics(if I can remember), my main issue these days is getting pics to the net.

[mike837go]

All 5 of the loaders I've dealt with tie in BOTH at the mid (bell housing) AND forward (under the radiator- above the front axle).

The Ford 2110 had extensions all the way aft to U-Bolts around the rear axle housings as well.

The stresses on the tractor from loader work can easily be described as 'awkward'.

Tie in at as many points as possible to minimize stresses in any one place.

Good luck!

[Birdhunter1]

Hello again vwguy3, if your tractor looks similar to this one you definitely have some points that are solid enough to accommodate a loader. Take a look here and see if this is similar to yours.



Best regards, Allan

I have a 3910 that is basically the same tractor except for the steering and front axle and steering.
The rear set of holes he has circled are not where my loader mounts, there is a set down low just in front of the foot plate on the left and right where my loader mounts.
The front mount is a 1/4" plate that bolts to the axle pivot frame that is bolted to the front of the engine (crank pulley and axle pivot pin are inside the frame) and your radiator sits on top of this frame. It is a simply bolt up that doesn't require taking the front grille or any framework off.

Its been a few years but I had to take the rear crossmember off of the loader frame to weld a crack and I can't remember if it bolted under the tractor or not.
My loader is a 7209 (maybe a 7109) and it should also fit your tractor. I'll try and take some photos of it this week if you need them.
Ford also has an auxiliary hydraulic pump that bolts to the side of the engine directly above and in front of the rear threaded holes circled and under the fuel tank. There is an inspection plate on the rear of the engine and it bolts right there. It really ups your hydraulic capacity.

[vwguy3]

Well almost a year later,
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0570.jpg
and with his little brother,
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0571.jpg

Hmmm,cannot seem to get them to show other than links.

[labparamour]

Those both turned out nice.
The bucket on your Ford looks larger than what mine had...

DB

[duaneb55]

Well almost a year later,
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0570.jpg
and with his little brother,
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0571.jpg

Hmmm,cannot seem to get them to show other than links.

You should consider uploading the photos to your thread using the forum attachment feature. If/when you delete or move them in your photobucket account, no one will be able to view them taking critical information from your thread.

Great job on the loaders.

[vwguy3]

Thanks guys.


I can't win for losin

[Willie B]

Find a correct mounted loader. Mount where it mounts. Extra time spent on correct loader design will pale in comparison to breaking a tractor.

Please be conscious that this is a farm tractor, not a pay loader. Gentle operation is still warranted. They were built to load hay, silage, manure, topsoil, and loose gravel. They were never intended to dig stumps, boulders, or dig your cellar. Lots of nice farm tractors have been broken trying to use them as a bulldozer.

Willie

[vwguy3]

Engineering and design was done by Massey Ferguson. Tha tractor this loader came off was of similar size and power so I am confident it isn't oversized.
It's funny you mention this, when I went to look at it the seller said a guy was coming to look at it to mount on an 8N.....i said that it would crush an 8n.
As to operation, i have had the loader on the Cub Cadet 149 for about 10 yrs and have only broken one spindle which I knew going in was not adequate and have since bulit a steel axle and spindles with taper bearings.
I understand and appreciate where your advice is coming from.