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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Quote Originally Posted by justin1098 View Post
    Why would you want to juggle gears in a big truck when you can have an 8 speed automatic? They are way better than the junk from the 70s and 80s. If you want a sports car, get a sports car. They still have manuals.
    Driving with a manual transmission is about being in full control of your vehicle. Sports car, family sedan, SUV, pickup or OTR truck and semi-trailer. Size or type doesn't matter.

    It's bad enough the accelerator pedal just files a request with the computer about how much power the driver wants. No longer is there linkage to the throttle plate (gas) or injector-pump slide (Diesel).

    An automatic transmission can only react to current input. It cannot anticipate the conditions that will occur in the next few seconds. That is where the driver's responsibilities lay.

    We can see what is happening on the road ahead. It is up to us drivers to set our vehicles for what is happening as well as what is about to happen. No machine can do that.

    So, if all you want to do is point your vehicle in the general direction of your destination, listen to your GPS and let all the automation you paid too much for get you there. Go ahead!

    I'll keep my manual transmission, full knowledge of where I am, constantly assess the threats to my safe journey and enjoy driving my car or truck.
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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

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    There haven't been Sterling trucks built since 2009. Their pickup was a reskinned Dodge anyway.
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    I realized after l typed that that the word l should have used is "rebadged".
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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    I've been through every version of the fuller 10 speed automatic.... they all Suck.
    they hesitate when you switch from drive to reverse.... So when you pull up to make your approach, this pause is just enough time for a 4 wheeler to sneak around the back of you... because they think you are stopped. If you don't think thats a big deal, try backing in off the street in NYC or boston.
    people are animals. no courtesy at all. (or common sense)

    Also, If you are on a slippery surface like ice or light snow, you are DONE. It senses the wheels spinning and cuts the engine power.
    I've had to call a tow truck to pull me literally 10 FEET forward to get out of a declined loading dock.
    with a manual, you can put it in a higher gear and get yourself out ...

    the fullers are also very slow to upshift when you are empty. Most drivers will manually slap the paddle shifter up 2 gears at a time just to get going... which beats the hell out of the equipment ...
    With a stick, you just take off in 2nd or even third gear.

    Now, my most recent auto is a Detroit 12 speed. I must say, it shifts a lot faster than the fullers... will even skip gears.
    but there is still a slight hesitation ...
    in my opinion, the technology has not been perfected yet.

    my thats what the company wants... I'm just a steering wheel holder.
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    The problem with automatics is they are more prone to failure and cost more to fix....
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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Autos suck big time in the off road boonie bouncing work environment. They have a few good points, but mostly downs. Great when you get back on the pavement.
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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    I've run a bunch of trucks over the last 15 years. I've spent a whole lot less money maintaining 3/4 and 1 tons with autos than I have spent fixing clutches, transfer cases, drivelines, and broken axle shafts. I hire guys to weld, not be a truck driver. With the auto there is only one rule from me, LO range in the transfer case in the field.
    A friend of mine, (heavy duty pipeliner) just got a RAM 4500 with an auto. He was the most diehard stickshift guy I ever met and he's loving this truck.
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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Nissan Frontier still offers Standard trans...and I think so does the Toyota Tacoma. But....they aren't full size trucks.

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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    I really liked the ZF-6 in my 99 F250. Unfortunately the tranny ate itself. Ended up with a new F250, has the shiftable 6 speed auto. I've been pretty happy with it.

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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Manual transmissions are appreciated by us older guys who know the advantages.

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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Quote Originally Posted by mike837go View Post
    Driving with a manual transmission is about being in full control of your vehicle. ...
    Back in 1969, my brother and I persuaded my Mom to buy a stick shift so we could learn to drive one. She knew how, and so she bought a '69 Camaro and taught us. She then drove a stick until she was about 65, when my Dad had bad arthritis and just couldn't get a grip on anything. She said she liked the control. She had an Audi and then a nice Acura 5-speed. She never got into the paddle shifters on her 4WD Lexus.

    How does one rock a vehicle back and forth with an automatic, to get out of a slight bind in a slippery situation? With a stick, it's just a little clutch/pedal action. I had to do it the other day with my wife's auto, and it was a pain in the *** and not very effective. Another thing about manuals is that it gives you something to do with your hands while driving besides drinking a beer and smoking. It's hard for me to drive an automatic without thinking about it. I have to be really careful and all that because I don't really control it. I guess 45 years of driving with a stick takes it's toll.
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    I bought a new 2015 ram 2500 last year with the 6 speed it was a good truck but it was detuned from the factory. I ended up trading it in on a 2015 ram 3500 dually with the Asian automatic very happy won't go back. Awesome for in town traffic and backing trailers in tight spots. I have owned and driven many stick shift and autos . For hauling I had a duramax with the Allison and it was amazing never had a mintues trouble from that transmission. I'm hoping the aisin will do the same. I have a friend with a 2008 sterling 4500 and he has just over 600,000 miles on it with the Cummins and Asian and they are both original. He has had to replace the turbo and wiring harness and front end parts.

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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Quote Originally Posted by justin1098 View Post
    Why would you want to juggle gears in a big truck when you can have an 8 speed automatic?
    Ever try rebuilding an automatic in a parking lot a thousand miles from home when your tranny **** the bed?

    A clutch will give you a few thousand miles warning that its going out. An automatic might be fine one minute and completely **** the next.

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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldendum View Post
    Another thing about manuals is that it gives you something to do with your hands while driving besides drinking a beer and smoking. It's hard for me to drive an automatic without thinking about it. I have to be really careful and all that because I don't really control it.
    dont forget,

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    Amazing that we can not buy a stick shift truck here, but in Europe if you rent a vehicle, a automatic costs on average 3 times as much as a stick shift. What sells dictates.

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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Quote Originally Posted by John T View Post
    dont forget,

    When the car in front of you stops quick and you slam yer left foot on the floor pushing in the invisible clutch pedal.....
    I guess I'm not the only one....
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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    I my self am a manual trans fan. If the auto makers want to see how a heavy duty automatic transmission needs to be designed, they should look at Cat and Deere. They know how to transfer serious horse power to the ground.

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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Quote Originally Posted by John T View Post

    A lot of new truck drivers don't even know how to drive a 10 or 18 speed

    Pretty sad.

    Up here, you have to take your road test in a manual tranny truck, or you don't get your license. At least, that's how it was 7 years ago when I did it. I think it's a good way to do it!

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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    I've always liked manuals since college days when most of my cars were just marginal and I never knew when I'd have to resort to push-starts and popping the clutch.

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    Lots of guys hate auto in big trucks. Have heard many stories of guys getting stuck on flat surfaces in snow especially with super singles. For us auto in pick up is a good thing we used to go through many clutches pulling trailers. Our many trailer puller has 180,000 miles on the original auto.
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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Quote Originally Posted by mike837go View Post
    Looks like my next 1-ton will be a restoration project.

    I will not settle for anything less than a manual transmission. My daily driver (2013 VW Jetta turbo-Diesel) has a six speed that has a low enough 1st so that stop-and-go-traffic is a non-issue and 6th has the engine turning just over 1500RPM @ 60MPH. I'd like to see an automatic do that!

    Anybody have an automatic transmission that will be in the correct gear when you finally get past the cop and ticket-recipient? Nope! It'll be in next-to-top-gear with the torque converter clutch open (moving at 25MPH) then you press the pedal to get back to road speed (downshift to 2nd) over-rev (slam 3rd) build speed (now the computer and transmission are in the groove) smooth gear changes and the clutch closes when back to cruising at road speed.

    I'll be in 3rd when I see things are breaking up. Call for power and upshift as needed.

    We are living in way over-engineered times!
    While I don't disagree with what you are saying, just about all new auto trans vehicles can be trans tuned to eliminate most of what you are complaining about. I have tuned my Ram's trans to suit my driving style, and it has almost...almost, made me not hate the auto trans.

    My commuter car is a 5 speed 4 cyl, and that same car with the auto trans is a absolute dog to drive. Maybe it is old skool, but I sure do miss my F150 302 w/ the 4 spd and granny low first.

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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Back in the day in the world of Drag Racing automatics were for "Paraplegics and Old Lady's"...

    Now?

    All the Super Classes are ruled by automatics and air shifters.


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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Quote Originally Posted by zapster View Post
    Back in the day in the world of Drag Racing automatics were for "Paraplegics and Old Lady's"...

    Now?

    All the Super Classes are ruled by automatics and air shifters.


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    Takes the fun outta the game though.
    Offroading (rock crawling) would be so much easier with a slushbox, but I do it for the challenge, so I'll stick with my manual.

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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    I was looking at "trucks" at my friendly Ford dealer and was
    disappointed to find that there were no:
    Manual transmissions
    Regular cabs
    8' beds(except on a few diesels)
    Pick-up truck market seems to be geared to
    people commuting to the office.
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    Re: Can't buy a new pickup with a manual transmission!

    Quote Originally Posted by jpump5 View Post
    I was looking at "trucks" at my friendly Ford dealer and was
    disappointed to find that there were no:
    Manual transmissions
    Regular cabs
    8' beds(except on a few diesels)
    Pick-up truck market seems to be geared to
    people commuting to the office.
    Back in 2001 I was looking to buy my a new truck (2000 F250 7.3). Every dealer I went into looked at me like I had 2 heads when I told them I wanted manual windows, manual locks, manual transmission, rubber floor mat, vinyl seats and no radio.
    When they finally recovered from the shock they all said "You'll have to SPECIAL order that".
    After months of searching I finally found a used 2000 (4 months old) that had everything I wanted except it had an automatic transmission so I settled for it.
    I'll give you 1 guess what is the only thing on the truck in 250,000 miles that has ever had a wrench laid on it.
    That's right, the f***ing automatic transmission!!
    At 124,000 miles it cost me $2800 to rebuild!

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