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    Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    I have noticed at college wearing my autodarkening mask it seems ok but when I'm a couple meters away from the arc watching others it flickers, it's not a cheapo one either it's make is "sif", I wondered if this was the auto darkening function, and also wondered what advantages a conventional flip helmet has over an auto darkening helmet

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    Pros and cons to both. It depends on what you are doing. I don't think I will buy another auto dark. It is a lot of fun trying to weld around a strobe light wearing an AD!

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    Hello Ajh, it is certainly likely that when you are a ways away from a welding arc that your electronic hood could "flicker" (due to the sensors not being fully activated) and you are right, a passive hood will not. Electronic hoods are certainly a thing of beauty for many welding applications, yet not all. Most electronic hoods do not handle heat and cold well and can fail when put to extremes either way. Additionally, most electronic hoods don't handle moisture well and can either fail temporarily or completely when subjected to moisture. The electronic hoods are also very short-lived when they experience certain shocks or drops from heights. A passive hood doesn't necessarily fair too well either when dropped/shocked, but at least it won't put a huge dent in your wallet when something bad happens and you break a filter plate or cover lens.

    I should add here though, that when you are needing to hang onto something in order to tack it that auto-darks are the bomb. Also, if you are underneath your vehicle or in a tight place trying to make a weld that auto-darks again can come to the rescue and make your welding task much less stressful. I use both types of hoods and generally assess the situation and consider which will work the best.

    A lot of field welding situations are better addressed with a passive hood over an electronic due to the relative sensitivity to elements and in some cases jobsites will not allow use of an electronic hood for safety reasons (they feel that an electronic hood can switch to the dark shade at the wrong moment and subject the user to losing their balance and a host of other safety related items). I am sure that others will have additional things to add here. Common sense will go a long way with determining whether use of one or the other is warranted or a good choice. Good luck and best regards, Allan
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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    The arc flash probably isn't strong enough at that distance to keep it dark.The advantage is cheaper,always work different
    Color lenses .Disadvatage is if you are in a tight area where you can't flip your hood you are more or less blind

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    Not having to whine and cry when your helmet falls off a scaffold.... You mates don't appreciate the tears as you tell the sad tale at coffee :'))

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    I love my old shade 10 flip up, but then again im technology impaired. In my experience it's not worth the hassle of auto darking. I have just used a cheep auto darking helmet.

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    I know a guy in his early 50s who has "weldor's neck," which is kinda like tennis elbow, but it's caused by the repetitive motion of snapping fixed lens helmets down. Breaking an AD helmet that falls at a worksite is cheap compared to replacement necks. Have you priced one of those lately?
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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    Great guys thanks very much, looks like I need both sides of the equation, maybe a flip mask for college

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    I prefer a auto when tacking or working sheet metal, if I'm burning lots of wire or rods all day long I use a passive with gold lense.

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    currently i use an old speed glass 100 and a huntsmen 951 passive.

    i use the ad for all fit up and tacking, being able to tack four corners of tube/pipe without flipping a hood four times is more productive and less fatigue. when its time to weld out i often switch hoods but only when convenient. the ad is more versatile, and gets the most use, but i cant stand heavy weld hoods get the lightest ad you can (i really like the cheapest speedglass model)

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    I use both, I have a Jackson balder I use for TIG welding thin stuff and when doing abunch of quick tack welds and a chopped fiber metal pipeliner with a shade 10 gold lens I use for stick, mig, and long welds. I prefer the fixed pipeliner and I use it for almost everything, just gets annoying for stuff that just needs abunch of tack welds and no beads.

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    No such thing as a dead battery with a flip

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    I love my flipper! I used auto lids, they flashed me, piss on that!

    The flipper never has dead batteries, never flashes you because you block a sensor, and can take a beating.





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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    Quote Originally Posted by mikecwik View Post
    Pros and cons to both. It depends on what you are doing. I don't think I will buy another auto dark. It is a lot of fun trying to weld around a strobe light wearing an AD!
    I gotta ask, why are you welding around a strobe light?

    Another note, ad rock, but a cheapo flip down makes the perfect backup.

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Zubrenic View Post
    I gotta ask, why are you welding around a strobe light?

    Another note, ad rock, but a cheapo flip down makes the perfect backup.

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    Heavy equipment sometimes have strobe lights on them for visibility, I actually just encountered this a couple weeks ago.

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharon Needles View Post
    Heavy equipment sometimes have strobe lights on them for visibility, I actually just encountered this a couple weeks ago.
    Oh THAT kind of strobe. I was thinking more of a rave......

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    I have both. Strobes are a pain in the *** and the battery will never fail on a flipper.

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    A battery on an Auto dark will never fail if you change them once and a while.A slurrpy for the ride home cost more than a battey ,don't be such a tight a$$.

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    Quote Originally Posted by gxbxc View Post
    A battery on an Auto dark will never fail if you change them once and a while.A slurrpy for the ride home cost more than a battey ,don't be such a tight a$$.
    Or get one with a solar panel and it'll last even longer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Zubrenic View Post
    Or get one with a solar panel and it'll last even longer!

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    That's the way my Tradesman is set up, and I keep a shade ten passive filter in my hood bag as a backup in case it ever dies.

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    Get the strobe lights on the equipment changed over to LED strobes. They won't trigger the auto dark lenses.
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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    Everyone's work environment and needs are unique and different.
    This one is nice. Fibre-Metal SUPERGLAS F706 Fiberglass Welding Helmet
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    I personally chose and love my Kobalt 1/20000 sec 4 arc sensor with removable batteries auto darkening hood for the variable shade feature, plus I'm just learning to arc weld.
    At arms length simple sparker for a propane torch will drop its shade instantly.

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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    I've tried all the top-rated auto hoods besides Optrel and still definitely prefer any fixed shade. Auto darks are very handy if you do a lot of tacking, or have to hold something steady and the movement from flipping your hood will cause it to be off enough that you have to break the tack. They're also pretty handy if you do several different size parts regularly- I could go from .030' wall stainless to 1/2" aluminum in the same day and it's no fun having to swap lenses all the time. Favorite part about a fixed shade is if you drop it, it's not likely to break; and if it does, it's only a few dollars to replace it.
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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Zubrenic View Post
    Oh THAT kind of strobe. I was thinking more of a rave......

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    I could see a welder being used to create "light" at a rave.
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    Re: Any advantages to a conventional flip helmet over an auto darkening helmet??

    Quote Originally Posted by VPT View Post
    I could see a welder being used to create "light" at a rave.
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