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    Re: Garage modification

    Quote Originally Posted by M J D View Post
    I had access to forms, poured would be the way to go.
    Forms can usually be rented from a number of places depending on how rural you are. Typically the rental period is for 1 month as it takes that long on average for concrete to cure fully. However depending on size, most guys set forms for 2 or 3 days, then pour, and strip the next day unless it's super cold out. On small jobs I've seen them form, pour and strip the same day.
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    I'm not sure if this building will be heated or if insulation is an issue, but there is another option (not a cheap option however). Like some of the others I have seen block walls fail, so I prefer to pour with lots of steel. There are also sterofoam forms that you can buy that stay on the concrete when you are done. Very handy for insulated basements. Both my son and my brother have used them for new basement builds with great success. If the outside isn't going to be backfilled, you just cover the sterofoam with stucco and its good. On the inside there is built in metal studs that you can attach the covering of your choice to. If you are welding and doing metal work in there, the only covering I would consider is sheet metal. By the time you get it prefinished and add in the cost of a couple paint jobs on paneling or sheetrock, it's really not a bad deal.
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    Re: Garage modification

    Quote Originally Posted by M J D View Post
    Going higher may happen, a 10' tall door was 100$ more than a 9' door. I would need 5 courses to fit in the 10' door without messing with trusses. Thanks for the offer. I could use a load of masonry sand if you have a dump trailer or small dump truck.


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    Cores of the block at about 4, intervals will be filled with concrete, vertical rebar to the slab. The remainder will be filled with spray foam. While I agree poured walls are a good thing, it's by no means necessary on a small job like this. Metal siding has its place, but I prefer plywood or OSB, since it's much easier to attach to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VPT View Post
    Sorry only a flat bed and small garden trailer here.
    No problem, I have an old pickup box trailer I can just park by the mixer.

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    My shop is 10'9" to the bottom of the trusses. It is not tall enough. You are going to all the trouble to do it so at least go to 12' walls. 14' would be better with 12' doors. I could only get a 9'6" door in mine and it is way better than my old 8' that I removed 2 years ago but if I were raising the whole building like you are doing I would go with 12' doors. By the way I installed a Menards insulated comercial door with metal skin on both sides. To buy it cost me $1250 but I love this door. it is 10 times better than my old 8" insulated door.

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    Interesting project , post pictures of the process and progress.

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    Not much for excitement. Removing drywall and pulling insulation out of the way. Removed the service door and frame. Dealt with pita fasteners that held the plate to the slab. My initial thought was that they were powder actuated nails, turns out they were countersunk head, 1/4" tapcons with a Philips head. I was able to remove 2 with an impact driver. The remainder were dealt with by driving plastic tree felling wedges between the plate and the slab to make a gap. Cutting discs on a 6" grinder or sawzall was used to cut the screws off.

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    Here is the doubled up 2x10 attached to the studs, 12" off the floor. Also you can see the bracing on the service door opening. I used #9x3-1/8" deck screws with a t-25 torx head for attaching to the studs. Underneath the wood beam with be 2 pieces of 8" channel, perpendicular to the 2x10s. IName:  IMG_20160528_184011761_HDR.jpg
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    HOLY COW!!! THE PIX ON YOUR PHONE ARE PERFECT!!!!

    Looking good so far. Remember our conversation earlier...

    When the safety nazis come along, stuff as many nuns, puppies and children in that garage as you can, that way when it fails (it will according to most internet armchair engineers) they can break the fall of the building, thus saving it from total ruin..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7A749 View Post
    HOLY COW!!! THE PIX ON YOUR PHONE ARE PERFECT!!!!

    Looking good so far. Remember our conversation earlier...

    When the safety nazis come along, stuff as many nuns, puppies and children in that garage as you can, that way when it fails (it will according to most internet armchair engineers) they can break the fall of the building, thus saving it from total ruin..
    Yeah, amazing the difference in a clear lens. And for the record, no hard hats or orange safety netting were used during this process.

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    Keep the pictures coming. Raise it as high as you can get away with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7A749 View Post
    HOLY COW!!! THE PIX ON YOUR PHONE ARE PERFECT!!!!

    Looking good so far. Remember our conversation earlier...

    When the safety nazis come along, stuff as many nuns, puppies and children in that garage as you can, that way when it fails (it will according to most internet armchair engineers) they can break the fall of the building, thus saving it from total ruin..
    It won't fall, it's just jacking up a building

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    One of the things that has always amazed me is how big an empty building appears. Once stuff starts getting laid out and put in place, it shrinks faster than a hamburger pattie on a hot grill. Kind of suffering from a surplus of rain and a lack of ambition today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave View Post
    It won't fall, it's just jacking up a building

    I have faith since I've done actual dumb stuff and survived
    Of course we know it won't fail, but online armchair engineers of the AAACE will likely disagree with our assessment.

    We ALL know how that works

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    Of course we know it won't fail, but online armchair engineers of the AAACE will likely disagree with our assessment.

    We ALL know how that works
    Excellent point
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    As a Committee Chair of the Midwestern Chapter of the AAACE, I know this to be fact...

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    My biggest concern is that it doesn't decide to travel to the east direction.

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    Lots of removing and moving things around today.

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    Back wall ready for ledger
    All of the pita tapcon screws cut off
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    Damn. I bet the former owner would crap his pants if he saw it now!

    I bet it turns out just fine.

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    The former owner was a complete hack when it came down to hanging the drywall and doing the wiring. Most of the screws were sunk right thru the paper and pieces of drywall with no reasoning as to which direction it was put on. Most of the outlets weren't mounted very well either.

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    Hey Mike , you be jammin on that !! Maybe do a basement while you are at it.

    So, what's the height gonna be ????

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    Minimum of 10' ceiling, which would be 3 courses of block.

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