W.T.F. HTP accepting COMPETITOR machines on trade-in for discounts!

[Jawslandshark]

Keep in mind other companies have done this same sort of thing in the past, Thermal Dynamics did it with plasma cutters, working or not, it was based on amps and the credit issued accordingly. I knew somebody that took advantage of that promo and still using the plasma to this day. Pretty sure those traded in used units were sold to electronics scrapers.

Regardless it's a good promo for the right consumer. What you are getting is STEL machine, with HTP as the USA importer/support. If you could look inside at the boards, wiring and layout, they are top notch. I think they know if more of these units get out in the market it will generate sales and eventually make up any lost revenue from the discount.

[Brand X]

I have used the Esab plasma rebate in the past.. They did not even need a machine back, just the sticker off of it.. Found a 100 amp Hypertherm tag, and got $10 per per amp discount on my Powercut 1500.. Plus the machine was new open box 25 % off of list from the Esab rep. Esab also had a very nice Circle cutter thrown in when you bought a Powercut plasma. I am all for any deal that gives the customer a break. (Me) Who care what a China importer of machines thinks about other companies policies? They could give that green machine machine away for free, and I would not bite..

I always had pretty good luck with Italian machines. Generally pretty decent stuff.. Does not seem HTP has much to lose from doing that rebate.. Since they set the trade in value. Might be better off selling it yourself though..(IMO)That way you set the price on a working machine..

[Hobbytime]

They will if they have a short term goal. I agree that most people will not get that much. That is a hook no doubt, but when people read and see the fine print on what they are getting, they may not be so ready to sell. In most every case, the person interested in the new product would be far better off listing it on their own. But it is still a large dent in their profit margin on a unit, even if they sell one for scrap or parts, because there's a lot of labor involved in that, and some overhead in storage and processing. Of course this deal doesn't have an expiration date unless I missed it. It could be a short term promotional stunt with an expected short term loss, with a hail mary grab for attention, unless of course, they have insanely high profit margins.

im going to say most of the welders to be traded in will be LOW end junk, not lincolns or millers or any other name brand, so the amount of credit will match whats being traded in and amount of credit has been calculated into profit margin, if HTP gets a bunch of people on the fence to buy their welder that would NOT have before then its a win for them...plus they get their name out there ...how many millions of $$$$ do newer and smaller companies spend but have no real guarantee of a return??? HTP is only giving credit to purchases, so they are getting value back on every trade in...just like a new car dealer selling cars...

[jimcolt]

Hypertherm has had a trade in policy on older plasma cutters (administered through authorized dealers) being traded in. The cutter does not need to work and it is $ per amp traded in. The trade in systems is supposed to be rendered "unusable as scrap in the process. This has been ongoing for many years....maybe even decades! I am not sure of all the details for the Hypertherm trade in....though most dealers can provide info. Jim Colt

[astronut]

Thanks for that info Jim! I was not aware Hypertherm did that.

[jimcolt]

The program is administered by authorized distributors and is funded by Hypertherm, distributors do not all participate (as I understand), but many do. Jim

Thanks for that info Jim! I was not aware Hypertherm did that.

[12345678910]

Severe? Hit and miss? I think that is a perception that isn't founded in reality given the scale and size of what we do.
Go to the Everlast owner's page on facebook, and instagram for the reality.

As far as fan base, that is a determining factor in many areas, including a good and relevant gauge of customer loyalty and brand/model popularity. Customers that have a good experience, who share it is far less common that people who have a negative experience and share it. 10 to 1 customers are more likely to post negative than positive. If our customers are going online to post about their good experiences, out of their own volition, it means something is being done right. If you have customers that feel neutral, uninspired by the product, oreven with no exactly bad experience nor outstanding experience, then you will have near zero loyalty and low levels of posts about their "meh" feelings about a product.

Fanbase "crap"? Maybe if you are 80, but most people with smart phones or computers are active on the internet these days. Sure there are many that don't, but ratios typically hold true of the amount of people that will and won't, regardless of brand. So it is still a reliable factor that can be used to determine breadth, and scope of a product, and pretty accurate way to sample what you can expect, with or without the input of people who wouldn't typically post online. Not sure how cats have anything to do with it.

Maybe, but the ability to buy likes and delete honest / negative comments means we can't really trust company controlled platforms.

[lugweld]

A customer controlled platform?

[DawgBus]

Maybe, but the ability to buy likes and delete honest / negative comments means we can't really trust company controlled platforms.

That's a really good point. Not calling any specific companies out, but there's been several caught doing just that^^

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[astronut]

That's a really good point. Not calling any specific companies out, but there's been several caught doing just that^^

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Yep, a few are guilty of that. Is it Russian collusion?

[MetalMan23]

I have an Everlast 250ext, great machine. Although the lift TIG doesn't work, which is annoying, but I never tried to contact customer service because I didn't really need it.

It's like anything,if you buy a dodge, and it breaks down, you'll hate dodges for the rest of your life, even thought some people never have problems, I honestly can't believe people exist who can't understand that concept. For instance they order a machine and it comes "doa"..... Then They automatically assume that every single other machine that company sells is a piece of trash? That's a childish and stupid assumption.

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[MetalMan23]

I'm just wondering where our resident Amazon welder salesman went to? Did he get banned? Or just gave up? I kind of miss him......

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[Oscar]

I'm just wondering where our resident Amazon welder salesman went to? Did he get banned? Or just gave up? I kind of miss him......

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Let us not speak his name again, lol. He undoubtedly went to the nether-realm, where he was cast asunder.

[mechanic416]

MetalMan23, He still comes here most everyday, just can't post here. Still pushing the green units every chance he gets. If you want to talk to him, hes over at weld.com

[lugweld]

I have an Everlast 250ext, great machine. Although the lift TIG doesn't work, which is annoying, but I never tried to contact customer service because I didn't really need it.

It's like anything,if you buy a dodge, and it breaks down, you'll hate dodges for the rest of your life, even thought some people never have problems, I honestly can't believe people exist who can't understand that concept. For instance they order a machine and it comes "doa"..... Then They automatically assume that every single other machine that company sells is a piece of trash? That's a childish and stupid assumption.

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What isn't working about it? Are you using the supplied torch switch?

[Jawslandshark]

Let us not speak his name again, lol. He undoubtedly went to the nether-realm, where he was cast asunder.

No wonder I have not seen an "Black Swan" threads in a long time.

[astronut]

Was his name Sergie or some other russian name? You know what happens with russian collusion? You become a statistic of the clintons to protect their backsides! lugweld, your time on earth is very limited since you are most likely a pawn in the whole scheme of things!

[lugweld]

Was his name Sergie or some other russian name? You know what happens with russian collusion? You become a statistic of the clintons to protect their backsides! lugweld, your time on earth is very limited since you are most likely a pawn in the whole scheme of things!

What is that a threat? Are you kidding me? What a jerk. I've worked for Everlast for 12 years.

[astronut]

What is that a threat? Are you kidding me? What a jerk. I've worked for Everlast for 12 years.

No threat from me. I just dont collude with russians although others prefer to! They pick their bed and they have to sleep in it and deal with the outcome! Dude or dudette, you need to unwind and not let things/posts bother you so much! It will make your health so much better! Is Serige or what ever his/her name is giving you the reach around and are you giving him/her a kiss afterwards? You are a paid troll! I dont have time for you, him/her, or its products! Take your SPAM elsewhere you moron! Oh, I forgot, neverlast products SUCK! Real welders buy name brand products ! Wanta bees buy neverlast!

[bakodiver]

No threat from me. I just dont collude with russians although others prefer to! They pick their bed and they have to sleep in it and deal with the outcome! Dude or dudette, you need to unwind and not let things/posts bother you so much! It will make your health so much better! Is Serige or what ever his/her name is giving you the reach around and are you giving him/her a kiss afterwards? You are a paid troll! I dont have time for you, him/her, or its products! Take your SPAM elsewhere you moron! Oh, I forgot, neverlast products SUCK! Real welders buy name brand products ! Wanta bees buy neverlast!

I'm a real welder (oilfield apprenticed pipeline welder) and I bought an Everlast, but I would not buy another. It worked OK out of the box, but 1 by 1 the features stopped working and my remote location meant that it was not cost effective to send it back. Another big negative is that they will not ship overseas, even for small stuff. Now it is their perogative to choose who and where they ship to, but it's my perogative to choose who I spend my money with, and that is a deal breaker for me. So I'm going to pull the trigger on an HTP, better customer service and better build quality.

[ljdm]

No threat from me. I just dont collude with russians although others prefer to! They pick their bed and they have to sleep in it and deal with the outcome! Dude or dudette, you need to unwind and not let things/posts bother you so much! It will make your health so much better! Is Serige or what ever his/her name is giving you the reach around and are you giving him/her a kiss afterwards? You are a paid troll! I dont have time for you, him/her, or its products! Take your SPAM elsewhere you moron! Oh, I forgot, neverlast products SUCK! Real welders buy name brand products ! Wanta bees buy neverlast!

Hmmm......... not sure now, this might the one.

[ljdm]

What is that a threat? Are you kidding me? What a jerk. I've worked for Everlast for 12 years.

Gotta be the dumbest post. Oops - meant to be a reply to post 44

[jrw159]

What is that a threat? Are you kidding me? What a jerk. I've worked for Everlast for 12 years.

As long as you have been with Neverlast one would think that you would be used to threats what with all the pissed off and dissatisfied "customers"! Kind of like water off a ducks back.

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[bakodiver]

Well I received my HTP Invertig 221 a couple of days ago and immediately put it to work finishing a job that my Everlast died in the middle of, tig welding 2" aluminium angle for a solar power array. Initial impressions are that it welds easier, or at least easier to set properly. HF arc start is great, accessories seem to be high quality, and the $300 in free stuff means I got 2 torches and a lot of consumables for the base price. HTP went considerably out of their way as shipment had to be split up to 2 different carriers for weight consideration (hand carried as luggage). Will report back when I have time to try stick welding it.

[Oscar]

Well I received my HTP Invertig 221 a couple of days ago and immediately put it to work finishing a job that my Everlast died in the middle of, tig welding 2" aluminium angle for a solar power array. Initial impressions are that it welds easier, or at least easier to set properly. HF arc start is great, accessories seem to be high quality, and the $300 in free stuff means I got 2 torches and a lot of consumables for the base price. HTP went considerably out of their way as shipment had to be split up to 2 different carriers for weight consideration (hand carried as luggage). Will report back when I have time to try stick welding it.

Glad its working out for you. Post up pics of the machine and your projects if you can. Oh and don't forget to disconnect the foot pedal for stick welding, otherwise the machine will expect for you to use it as an amperage control.