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    So I’ve been watching videos on LED lights and Solar panels and had a thought. Hmmm, I wonder if it’s possible to create led lights efficient enough to put out enough light to power itself with extra power to spare for other needs by shing the led in front of the solar panel.

    Heck while Im at it I’m going to throw it out there. Why can these electric car companies like Tesla etc add low parasitic drag generators that can charge batteries while under power from the electric motors? Motor pushes the vehicle from stored energy in the batteries then the generators charge the batteries or power the motors which ever is clever and never have to plug into the grid or stop to recharge?
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    Re: I知 sure I知 not the first to think of it but worth mentioning.

    Go start a kickstarter. That's the only way to make money out of perpetual motion and free energy

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12345678910 View Post
    Go start a kickstarter. That's the only way to make money out of perpetual motion and free energy
    So are you saying that you are not one who likes to think outside of the box?
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    Re: I知 sure I知 not the first to think of it but worth mentioning.

    What if there were multiple sources of free energy?

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    Re: I知 sure I知 not the first to think of it but worth mentioning.

    This guy seems like he might be onto something.

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    No such thing as Free Energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    What if there were multiple sources of free energy?

    No free energy- This magnet loses energy to light up the bulb as the clock ticks.
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    Nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broccoli1 View Post
    No free energy- This magnet loses energy to light up the bulb as the clock ticks.
    I'd have to see for my own eyes. I dont understand how the magnet will demagnetise while generating electricity for the lightbulb but the magnets in an alternator or generator don't demagnetise while generating electricity.
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    You have to have magnetic MOTION to generate flowing electrons whatever energy you get out of the 'motion' you'll have to put as much plus more energy into making the motion to cover conversion losses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    I'd have to see for my own eyes. I dont understand how the magnet will demagnetise while generating electricity for the lightbulb but the magnets in an alternator or generator don't demagnetise while generating electricity.
    If the generates sits for a while.:
    Magnets in generators can and do lose the magnetism. When that happens you have to flash the field windings in the generator and remagnetizes them.
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    Re: I知 sure I知 not the first to think of it but worth mentioning.

    ??? you get free energy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broccoli1 View Post
    No such thing as Free Energy.
    You don't live in VT. ANYBODY on the system gets all the free energy they want. Correct, it isn't free, but it is to them.
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    Willie just discovered FREE ENERGY!!!!! sign up now and get 4 complimentary FREE cel phones for you and your bud's because it a basic human right to have energy and cel phones!

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    All jokes aside. So the general consensus is that it’s not possible to have a motor push a vehicle from one set of motors/axle while having a charging generator/altinator on the opposite set of wheels/axle?

    Alternators are very easy to spin by hand, I can’t see how a high torque set of motors like in a Tesla vehicle would have a problem pushing a little bit extra weight or push against the added resistance of the generators on opposite wheels/axle.
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    2 sets of magnetic fields, both are composed of at least 2 magnets each, one set rotates on a fixed center shaft, the rotation causes the magnetic field to collapse causing voltage to be induced into the fields(stationary fixed part).
    The consensus is that a motor uses more power than it can generate. This has been proven time and time again. The generator would need to be much largr than the motor to supply the mower the motor is consuming.
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    Re: I知 sure I知 not the first to think of it but worth mentioning.

    N2.... not sure if you are really serious on this or not???? your OP is a joke right

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    All jokes aside. So the general consensus is that it’s not possible to have a motor push a vehicle from one set of motors/axle while having a charging generator/altinator on the opposite set of wheels/axle?

    Alternators are very easy to spin by hand, I can’t see how a high torque set of motors like in a Tesla vehicle would have a problem pushing a little bit extra weight or push against the added resistance of the generators on opposite wheels/axle.
    Yes, that is possible - but... along with the truth that there is "no such thing as free energy" in this scenario you also have the "no such thing as perpetual motion" applying to it. Basically, it won't be able to create as much energy as it uses. Some hybrids charge while braking, others with fossil fuel. But electrical energy is lost into friction, heat, etc etc..

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    No actually I am very serious unfortunately. So let’s say the front wheels run the generator while the electric motors that push the vehicle are hooked up to the rear wheels. So if there is a little loss from pushing the front wheels wouldn’t the power the front wheels generate add more driving time from charging the batteries while in motion. Just looking to see if it’s been considered as a way to extend the driving distance of the electric vehicles before a full recharge is needed.
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    There is electrical loss every time you change/convert electrical to mechanical motion... so with a car you would first have to convert DC power from the batts to AC(more or less) to drive the motors(this is actually two conversions!) so you just lost ~10percent of the power you were using to heat and what not, now on the recovery/generating side of things you need to have and extra... say 1000 watts of torque absorbed into the front wheel generators to generate maybe 950 watts of power... again you lose power each time there is a conversion... but now you need to convert the power you just generated into a controlled usable power again another conversion so there goes another few percent at least.

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    I understand the loss but if there is any energy to be salvaged why wouldn’t the car manufactures do it. I’d do anything possible to add the driving distance of these vehicles. At the moment they are only getting anywhere from 200 to 300 miles per charge. If you can add 100 to 200 miles driving distance before needing to be recharged wouldn’t that be reason enough to do it?
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    They do everything possible with the price point offered... This includes regenerative braking which I believe is standard on most all ev's

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    It takes more energy to make the light than can be produced by the light. What you are talking about is a perpetual motion machine. The link is a short, albeit dry, bit of reading on conservation of energy.

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    The losses in the LED-solar panel scheme are so bad,
    it makes the motor-generator loop scheme look good
    by comparison. But they are both free energy/perpetual
    motion schemes and won’t work. There’s a number of
    “free energy” YouTube scam videos out there. “Technology
    the oil companies don’t want you to know about”. I remember
    one guy had a spark plug sitting near a magnet, generating
    free power.
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