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    Any danger Here?

    I want to weld something onto this welding cart project but suddenly realized the bottles would be on the cart.

    Is there any danger welding something that may be physically touching a bottle?Name:  7FCB6B5F-5985-4494-A6C5-EF4EDE4D2269.jpg
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    Re: Any danger Here?


    vdotmatrix


    Quote Originally Posted by vdotmatrix View Post
    Is there any danger welding something that may be physically touching a bottle?
    Why are you still alive . . . ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by OPUS FERRO View Post

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    Why are you still alive . . . ?


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    OKAY OPUS, I don't understand your short snarky responses and if you just like to be confrontational, will you please just disregard my posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vdotmatrix View Post
    . . . I don't understand . . . please just disregard my posts.
    I'm experienced - you are not - swinging at the first
    pitch 'is for the experienced' . . .

    There will be no shortage - of 'sage info' forthwith -

    hth

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    If you hold your device horizontally when shooting -
    your pics will post vertically . . .

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    Re: Any danger Here?

    Seems like the simplest thing to do is remove the cylinders before welding on the cart. You get an arc on a cylinder and you just bought scrap that has to be destroyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welder Dave View Post
    Seems like the simplest thing to do is remove the cylinders before welding on the cart. You get an arc on a cylinder and you just bought scrap that has to be destroyed.
    thank you!

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    Re: Any danger Here?

    As long as you are installing your ground clamp directly to the part being welded, you should be fine with the bottle’s being on the cart (presuming that they are both inert gas and not acytelene)

    Even if you had voltage traveling through the bottles, I don’t see where it would cause a problem. However, better to be safe and remove them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vdotmatrix View Post
    OKAY OPUS, I don't understand your short snarky responses and if you just like to be confrontational, will you please just disregard my posts.
    vdotmatrix,
    oppus ferro is just a troll on here and NEVER contributes anything worthwhile!

    I would suggest you click on the settings tab at the top of the page then scroll down the column on the left sde of the page until
    you find the "edit ignore list" function. Enter his screen name exactly as it appears on his comments.
    You will never hear from him again!

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    According to his name, Opus thinks he produces artistic works of iron. After his clearly written insults, his follow up comments are so strange that he is the only one that understands them. Has anyone considered that maybe he is influenced by a hallucinogen when he writes these comments. If the comments come naturally .... that is scary.


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    Thank you...
    Quote Originally Posted by scsmith42 View Post
    As long as you are installing your ground clamp directly to the part being welded, you should be fine with the bottle’s being on the cart (presuming that they are both inert gas and not acytelene)

    Even if you had voltage traveling through the bottles, I don’t see where it would cause a problem. However, better to be safe and remove them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexcormack View Post
    vdotmatrix,
    oppus ferro is just a troll on here and NEVER contributes anything worthwhile!

    I would suggest you click on the settings tab at the top of the page then scroll down the column on the left sde of the page until
    you find the "edit ignore list" function. Enter his screen name exactly as it appears on his comments.
    You will never hear from him again!
    Thank you I did that last night, but felt rather silly being thinned skinned about this. A lot of this stuff is serious but we all enjoy a little fun now and then...thank you...

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    Re: Any danger Here?

    The cylinders wouldn't likely be a problem but are simple to remove. An arc on any cylinder regardless of the gas inside is bad.

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    vdotmatrix


    Quote Originally Posted by vdotmatrix View Post
    . . . we all enjoy a little fun now and then . . .
    Evidently no one on this thread listened to 'Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers'.

    Welder Dave

    Quote Originally Posted by Welder Dave View Post
    Seems like the simplest thing to do is remove the cylinders before welding on
    the cart. You get an arc on a cylinder and you just bought scrap that has to be
    destroyed.
    'You get an arc on a cylinder . . . ' This is exactly what spawned my response.
    My first welding job was so long ago, most welding was done with stick.

    One of my 'co-first hires' struck an arc [E6010] on a full size Oxygen bottle - he
    bought the bottle - 180.00$ in '74. This accident was more prevalent when stick
    was the main welding mode - but if the bottle is remote from anything grounded
    it can't happen . . .

    hth


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    Quote Originally Posted by Welder Dave View Post
    The cylinders wouldn't likely be a problem but are simple to remove. An arc on any cylinder regardless of the gas inside is bad.
    Yes, i will err on the side of welding...lol cheers. Thanks for responding

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    Re: Any danger Here?

    A dent or an arc strike will keep a welding supply store from filling the tank. With 2000 PSI, they cannot take any chances that it wont hold. Visual inspection is a requirement before filling any tank. You might get lucky that they donít see the arc strike when you exchange tanks. But if they see it they wont let you exchange it and you have to buy a new one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrey.penfield View Post
    A dent or an arc strike will keep a welding supply store from filling the tank. With 2000 PSI, they cannot take any chances that it wont hold. Visual inspection is a requirement before filling any tank. You might get lucky that they don’t see the arc strike when you exchange tanks. But if they see it they wont let you exchange it and you have to buy a new one.


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    thanks roberts oxygen has a very liberal exchange policy...i guess because they have such a huge volume of business. Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPUS FERRO View Post

    vdotmatrix




    Evidently no one on this thread listened to 'Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers'.

    Opus
    Those guys were hilarious! I used to listen to them in Texas back in the 1980's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPUS FERRO View Post

    vdotmatrix




    Why are you still alive . . . ?


    Opus
    LMAO

    Sometimes I feel lucky to be alive. I welded the triple clamps on a quad using oxyacetylene. With the gas tank still on. I used welding leathers to cover the tank. It was my friends quad. He is really strong and the reason the clamp was stressed/broken. He is also crazy. He usually would drop acid or shrooms whenever we went riding but he stood back as I was welding in his garage. He ended up giving me the oxyacetylene tanks and cart. More recently, he gave me a 200 cubic ft helium tank. It's got balloon grade helium tho. Not worth fouling my tungsten trying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welder Dave View Post
    Seems like the simplest thing to do is remove the cylinders before welding on the cart. You get an arc on a cylinder and you just bought scrap that has to be destroyed.
    This is a very good answer that you should heed. If, upon inspection, they find an arc mark on the cylinder, they won't exchange it. It's out of service.....permanently.

    If it does get by inspection, you're gonna have to live with it on your conscience ever after. And...……..you might just get that cylinder back sometime in the future

    To keep current from going TROUGH anything you don't wanna damage (like bearings, threaded assemblies, etc) you place the work clamp close to the weld area, and between the weld area, and the area you don't want current to flow thru. Also...…..remember...…..when you weld, the entire piece of steel, truck, assembly, etc is energized, and looking for a pathway back to the machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
    This is a very good answer that you should heed. If, upon inspection, they find an arc mark on the cylinder, they won't exchange it. It's out of service.....permanently.

    If it does get by inspection, you're gonna have to live with it on your conscience ever after. And...……..you might just get that cylinder back sometime in the future

    To keep current from going TROUGH anything you don't wanna damage (like bearings, threaded assemblies, etc) you place the work clamp close to the weld area, and between the weld area, and the area you don't want current to flow thru. Also...…..remember...…..when you weld, the entire piece of steel, truck, assembly, etc is energized, and looking for a pathway back to the machine.
    YES, very good. I appreciate this and will remember . THANK YOU

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    If the welding supply finds damage on a cylinder, you are responsible and have to pay to replace that cylinder even if it's a leased cylinder. They could charge quite a bit more than the cylinder is actually worth. You won't have a choice. Have heard stories of customers painting cylinders and doing other things to try and mask damage. You could possibly be charged trying to return a cylinder for refill that you know has damage. It is a very high pressure vessel that could do a lot of damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welder Dave View Post
    If the welding supply finds damage on a cylinder, you are responsible and have to pay to replace that cylinder even if it's a leased cylinder. They could charge quite a bit more than the cylinder is actually worth. You won't have a choice. Have heard stories of customers painting cylinders and doing other things to try and mask damage. You could possibly be charged trying to return a cylinder for refill that you know has damage. It is a very high pressure vessel that could do a lot of damage.
    THANK YOU, that isn't a concern here. Stay safe.

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    Re: Any danger Here?

    Lay a fire blanket over them. Fire blankets are a good investment.
    Protecting the hoses might be a good idea.
    Some hoses maybe thin walled and a spark may cause a pinhole. Naturally, you won't realize it until you find tank becoming empty sooner.
    As stated, a clean ground connection near the weld.


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    oppus ferro is just a troll on here and NEVER contributes anything worthwhile!
    I have a different opinion personally. If you ask a reasonable question (by his definition), Opus has provided some very sage, practical advice. On the other hand a number of Opus' responses can be described as rather acetic, but I attribute that to him having a low tolerance for people lacking what Opus believes to be common sense. If I look at my personal posts that Opus has responded to I would estimate a 70% of his responses I found useful and 30% made me mutter "WTF Opus??!!"

    To me he is just part of the charm of Welding Web. :-)
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    You can only get flashed so many times before it starts to affect you.

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