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    6010!

    How do you all weld with that stuff?!?!? I took a refresher course this winter and all we used was 7018. I kept reading about 6010/6011 and how common it is so I got 10lbs of Lincoln 5P+. I tried it out yesterday and it was like trying to control a fire breathing dragon! Sparks, spatter, arc blow..... I will say it seemed easier to control the puddle, besides the harshness of using it.

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    Re: 6010!

    Unless your machine is specifically configured to burn 6010 you will have problems.

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    Re: 6010!

    Quote Originally Posted by axehind View Post
    How do you all weld with that stuff?!?!? I took a refresher course this winter and all we used was 7018. I kept reading about 6010/6011 and how common it is so I got 10lbs of Lincoln 5P+. I tried it out yesterday and it was like trying to control a fire breathing dragon! Sparks, spatter, arc blow..... I will say it seemed easier to control the puddle, besides the harshness of using it.
    What welder are you using? Is the 6010 staying lit? If your welder rated to run 6010? The 5p+ is not the easiest to run and it does take some practice to be comfortable with it. But the industry typically uses 6010 and 7018 exclusively. There are exceptions to that of course. Especially after using 7018 with the nice smooth arc 6010 is very erratic comparably.

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    Re: 6010!

    Using a 1/8 electrode around 90-100 amps and the machine is a Lincoln Invertec 275. No problems keeping an arc.

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    Re: 6010!

    Quote Originally Posted by axehind View Post
    Using a 1/8 electrode around 90-100 amps and the machine is a Lincoln Invertec 275. No problems keeping an arc.
    I have an invertec 250. I don't remember exact settings Lincoln recommends for 6010 but a pro pipe weldor showed me that max arc force and minimum hot start works good. Slight stand off unlike digging with 7018. I think Your Lincoln manual has recommended settings.
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    Re: 6010!

    Don't use 7018 as a reference. It will spark, slag more difficult to remove, and it likes to cut/dig.

    Since you machine seems to run it, you might consider posting photos.

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    Re: 6010!

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaneride View Post
    I have an inverter 250. I don't remember exact settings Lincoln recommends for 6010 but a pro pipe weldor showed me that max arc force and minimum hot start works good. Slight stand off unlike digging with 7018. I think Your Lincoln manual has recommended settings.
    Oh.... I'll have to try turning up the arc force. I don't usually use any with 7018. Hot Start is just a off and on switch so I'll try it off next time. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tapwelder View Post
    Don't use 7018 as a reference. It will spark, slag more difficult to remove, and it likes to cut/dig.

    Since you machine seems to run it, you might consider posting photos.
    Yeah the slag it certainly harder to get off and doesn't come off in big chunks like 7018. I will say this... I understand what people are saying now when they say it's a fast freeze rod. I find it easier than 7018 on horizontal and vertical. The bead doesn't come out too bad, even tried out the whip and pause. I'll post some pics later in the week when I'm able to try it out again.

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    Re: 6010!

    Quote Originally Posted by axehind View Post
    Oh.... I'll have to try turning up the arc force. I don't usually use any with 7018. Hot Start is just a off and on switch so I'll try it off next time. Thanks!
    I have adjustable hot start and turn it all the way up for 7018 and turn down arc force for 7018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insaneride View Post
    I have adjustable hot start and turn it all the way up for 7018 and turn down arc force for 7018.
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    Quote Originally Posted by axehind View Post
    Using a 1/8 electrode around 90-100 amps and the machine is a Lincoln Invertec 275. No problems keeping an arc.
    Try 75-85A, unless you are welding real thick stuff.
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    Re: 6010!

    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    I don't have an htp. I use a Lincoln similar to the op's. A professional pipe weldor recommended those settings and they work, also, Lincoln recommends similar for the invertec 250 I use. What part are you confused with? Arc force is needed for 6010 on Lincoln invertecs.

    Edit: axehind, here's what Lincoln recommends for my 250, I'm sure your 275 is similar or for your machine. Hot start is good for re lighting 7018 but I turn it off for xx10.
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    Re: 6010!

    My apologies, I read your post incorrectly. I agree with what you mentioned.
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    Re: 6010!

    That's not necessary Oscar. Lincoln nominal settings could be read as contrary to what I said (flame war? Haha).

    Example; Lincoln nominal setting suggests 6 for 6010 on my 250s. I prefer optimal setting tho. Lincoln saiz 3-10. I say 10 for optimum inverter 6010 performance but I'm an armchair weldor.

    The op's machine is later greater than mine and changed hot start to on off only. Hot start is nice for relighting 7018. Makes sense to me because I only use hot start maxed for 7018 off for 6010. Other rods, I dunno? Arc force with 7018? I turn it off but I'm interested in axehind' setting for 7018 arc force/inductance?

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    Re: 6010!

    My favorite rod
    Well, 6011 is.

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    Re: 6010!

    6010 generally runs the same as amps as the size smaller of 7018. A general setting for 1/8" 6010 would be around 90 amps, the same as 3/32" 7018. You're in the ball park and the whip and pause technique is the most common when burning 6010. A nice thing about 6010 is it can make sound welds with some strength going downhand. Downhand is not recommended for other rods.

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    Re: 6010!

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaneride View Post
    \ I turn it off but I'm interested in axehind' setting for 7018 arc force/inductance?
    This was my settings
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    Gee, how did all us old welders get by without all the bells and whistles??
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    Quote Originally Posted by mla2ofus View Post
    Gee, how did all us old welders get by without all the bells and whistles??
    ha!
    Hey before electricity they used O/A. I've done some O/A welding and I do like it. Though from memory, doing a fillet with O/A could be challenging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by axehind View Post
    ha!
    hey before electricity they used o/a. I've done some o/a welding and i do like it. Though from memory, doing a fillet with o/a could be challenging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mla2ofus View Post
    Gee, how did all us old welders get by without all the bells and whistles??
    We put up with the battle scars. My arms make me look a drug addict due to burns from running the regular 5P(red) Lincoln 6010 overhead. These newbies got it so easy but by the time they figure out how to set the machine, the old guys would be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welder Dave View Post
    We put up with the battle scars. My arms make me look a drug addict due to burns from running the regular 5P(red) Lincoln 6010 overhead. These newbies got it so easy but by the time they figure out how to set the machine, the old guys would be done.
    I did a pipeline project 10 years ago, we all were running 5P red. It was 4 months after that before I needed a haircut.

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    Re: 6010!

    5P+ wasn't approved yet when I took my pressure test and is much nicer to run than standard 5P.

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    Re: 6010!

    I don't see the point of 6010 unless you're specifically rooting pipework to a procedure.

    6013 runs easily (and over here, you can get high quality rutile-cellulosic versions with good impact toughness)
    7018 is still the daddy for anything structural IMO, and a child could run it uphill.

    Cleanliness? "6010 burns through rust and crud better" - so what? You shouldn't be welding rust and crud to start with - it's 2020 folks, cordless grinders are cheap!!!

    Partly I'm maybe saying this because I've never ever even ran any 6010, but even so... never ever felt like we need it here.

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    Re: 6010!

    Quote Originally Posted by Munkul View Post
    I've never ever even ran any 6010
    Maybe you should try it once before commenting on how worthless it is...? Just a thought.

    FWIW, I know of no rod that gives deeper penetration...if you're into that kind of thing. Ya know, for deep roots and stuff. It's also great for filling big holes.

    And yes, there are plenty of times when you need to bodge something together from rusted, greasy or painted material -- temporary jigs, holding fixtures, whatever -- where grinding to shiny metal would just be a waste of time. And sometimes (field repairs of equipment for example) you can't get in with a grinder to prepare a cleanroom-ready surface for welding. Just sayin
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