80 cf argon cylinders from eBay?

[Welder Dave]

Some places need to know the name on the neck ring or have you bring proof you bought the cylinders from a legitimate supplier. They don't want other suppliers filling their "stolen" cylinders so are returning the favor to other suppliers. There's lots of stolen and missing cylinders but impossible to keep track of them with millions out there.

[crazybrit]

I thought this was more an issue of size.

I was told by my LWS (Portland, Oregon) that the 150's don't have named necks and are by definition customer owned.

[ctbme02]

I thought I would share this as well. Called the next closest supplier near me (1hour away) This is their prices.

Thank you for your interest. We sell a 124 cf cylinder for outright purchase in addition to the 83 cf size. Most competitors freely swap out the 83 cf sized cylinders while the 124 cf cylinder fills are done by Praxair for cylinders purchased from us.


I can provide the following contract prices if you set up an account with us (I sent you an online application in a separate email):

Please let me know if you need delivery costs. I need the delivery address to provide cost.



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[danielplace]

I thought this was more an issue of size.

I was told by my LWS (Portland, Oregon) that the 150's don't have named necks and are by definition customer owned.

All smaller than 125 cu ft are customer owned as well as the odd size that you mention the 150 cu.ft. is always customer owned but since they are few and far between. When you need gas if your place doesn't fill on site it is a problem. Drop it off and come back in 1-2 weeks. Otherwise if you need gas you loose it for a 125 but at least you can always get gas after you loose your prize 150 bottle.

The small 80's and even the 150 are always a blank ring though. They can have gas company names on them but don't matter to the Suppliers you have an account with as they know no body ever rented the bottles of that size or if they did it was so long ago anyone could have most any name on them originally or from bottle swaps.

[crazybrit]

that you mention the 150 cu.ft. is always customer owned but since they are few and far between. When you need gas if your place doesn't fill on site it is a problem. Drop it off and come back in 1-2 weeks.

Not been my experience, I have no clue if they fill on site but I always get a different cylinder with sealed cap and zero wait. I could take it to another sole proprietor LWS and get it for $50 ($7 cheaper). Again, cylinder exchange, no wait.

[danielplace]

Not been my experience, I have no clue if they fill on site but I always get a different new cylinder with sealed cap and zero wait. I could take it to another sole proprietor LWS and get it for $50 ($7 cheaper). Again, cylinder exchange, no wait.

I used to have a 150 and it was often the gas you wanted was not in stock in a 150. Not so much a issue in Fort Lauderdale at Praxair but up here in Ocala we have only Matheson and Airgas but neither fill on site. Matheson has low stock of customer owned and Airgas only sends your bottle out and you get it back the next week filled.

You can't get even genuine customer owned 250's these days around here. Matheson never has them. Airgas you have to drop of and come back in a week for everything.

If they have any 150's often I see they are just pretending it is a 125 and it is in with the 125's and they are swapping it that way.

[crazybrit]

I used to have a 150 and it was often the gas you wanted was not in stock in a 150. Not so much a issue in Fort Lauderdale at Praxair but up here in Ocala we have only Matheson and Airgas but neither fill on site. Matheson has low stock of customer owned and Airgas only sends your bottle out and you get it back the next week filled.

You can't get even genuine customer owned 250's these days around here. Matheson never has them. Airgas you have to drop of and come back in a week for everything.

If they have any 150's often I see they are just pretending it is a 125 and it is in with the 125's and they are swapping it that way.

Well, consider this a major shout out for Central Welding in Portland Oregon. I've always been very happy with how they've treated me. Helps that they are a 2 mile drive from my house. The other shop, Jones welding ($7 cheaper) I've only been to once. Seems a cool place. I'm not a fan of big national companies like AirGas and Matheson. I suspect if you do enough volume you can get good prices from them but otherwise they're way too expensive.

[Ingenuity]

Are DOT-stamped vs ISO-stamped customer-owner cylinders treated as equal for refilling and transportation purposes?

[driz]

Well, consider this a major shout out for Central Welding in Portland Oregon. I've always been very happy with how they've treated me. Helps that they are a 2 mile drive from my house. The other shop, Jones welding ($7 cheaper) I've only been to once. Seems a cool place. I'm not a fan of big national companies like AirGas and Matheson. I suspect if you do enough volume you can get good prices from them but otherwise they're way too expensive.

All I can say is “FRIENDS DONT LET FRIENDS SHOP ST AIRGAS. “. Vote with your feet !!


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[ctbme02]

I've been keeping an eye on these. They regularly sell for 79.99 + 42 shipping. If you don't want to bid he sells them outright and has a best offer option. I did confirm these have a good date, and dot stamp.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/402369869657

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[rexcormack]

Are DOT-stamped vs ISO-stamped customer-owner cylinders treated as equal for refilling and transportation purposes?

ISO stamped cylinders conform to all DOT specs and then some.
I purchased an ISO stamped cylinder and my LWS told me that no gas supplier can refuse to fill or exchange an ISO cylinder, even though some will try out of ignorance.

[Oscar]

I feel for you guys! I have zero problems with any of this crap locally. I can buy anything up to 125 ft³ and swap in whatever so long as the hydrotest is good. Some of those prices are rediculous!

[driz]

Check the local mom n pop places( if Airgas hasn’t ruined them yet and put the, out of business). You may be surprised. That 125 is going to pay for itself in a few years with the prices everyone is charging to fill the small ones.
See what Indiana Oxygen is selling too. That shipping looks like a deal breaker to me.......


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[Ingenuity]

=> UPDATE:

My e-Bay purchase of a 80 CF argon cylinder was cancelled by the seller as they would not ship to Hawaii.

Local Craigslist has some used cylinders but they looked like they were leased units someone was selling illegally.

I ended up purchasing from IOC in Indiana for $195 (https://www.weldingsuppliesfromioc.c...lium-and-mixes), for delivery to my freight forwarder in California, for ocean freight to Hawaii. $195 each 80 cf cylinder, free shipping to California. My freight forwarder charge was $106 from California to Hawaii for one cylinder and $107 for two cylinders. I decided to purchase two 80 CF cylinders and, total cost for the 2 is about $500, delivered to me.

If I leased/rented a cylinder from AirGas here the daily rental/lease if $1.30 per day, so after 1 year it would have been near $500 for only 1 cylinder. Purchase was a better deal.

[edgephoto]

Why buy a new cylinder? My local gas supplier only does exchanges. If you buy a nice shiny new cylinder you get a different one in return. Also after a period of time the cylinder needs to be tested.

Just go to your local supplier and buy a tank filled. Then when you need gas you only pay for the fill and they just swap tanks with you.

[danielplace]

Why buy a new cylinder? My local gas supplier only does exchanges. If you buy a nice shiny new cylinder you get a different one in return. Also after a period of time the cylinder needs to be tested.

Just go to your local supplier and buy a tank filled. Then when you need gas you only pay for the fill and they just swap tanks with you.

That is what you do if the price is not a problem but when you can buy second hand 125 and 250 cylinders used for $100 -$150 why would you not do that. Like you said don't matter they are swapping it out anyhow.

I have never been charged for a out of date hydro at any place that swaps cylinders.

That would never work. Are they going to pay you when you bring in a cylinder with a brand new date and they give you back one with only 3 years left. They all do not care or charge for hydro's ever at any one of at least 6 suppliers I have done business with over the years.


The local supplier will charge more than online. If it was that simple nobody would ever have a issue getting a cylinder at a good deal. It is cheaper to buy new or refurbished than buy one from them 99% of the time.

Otherwise the answer to tank/gas would always be just go to gas supplier and buy one from them. That is not really the best answer unless you must have it now today at any cost. If you have even a few days finding a cylinder used isn't that difficult in most areas.

Craigslist is full of them all the time.

https://miami.craigslist.org/search/...tanks&sort=rel

$140 for 125 cu ft with gas.

https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/tls...181302852.html

[smithdoor]

Only buy new.
Used tank's may fail the test and then have yard art.

Dave

My LWS's (Matheson and Airgas) sells 60 cf gas cylinders for more than $230 each, and I noticed that eBay has new 80 cf for $205, including delivery.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/80-CF-WELDI...1&isGTR=1#shId

More than 900 sold and 99% positive reviews.

Anyone on WW purchased/used these cylinders?

[danielplace]

Only buy new.
Used tank's may fail the test and then have yard art.

Dave

What, every used tank is automatically out of date ? You can't see the date for your self and decide to buy or not ? Even if it needed a hydro it doesn't make a bit of difference at majority of suppliers. They are all almost on exchange program.

You exchange them so nobody even looks at the date and doesn't matter anyhow if it is out of date they still exchange it and they pay for the hydro it needs. All part of exchange program.

If it fails a hydro they own it now so who cares. It is usually only grossly rusted cylinders that fail hydro when they should have been rejected based on precheck visual examination of the cylinder already. In any case they eat any that fail. They sure as heck don't put your name on the tank and call you up later to tell you a cylinder you exchanged last month just failed hydro. They all go into the inventory pool. If one gets trashed they don't care as that cost is figured in already.

[ezduzit]

...my LWS told me that no gas supplier can refuse to fill or exchange an ISO cylinder, even though some will try out of ignorance.

My local Airgas refused to fill a brand new tank which had ISO, but no DOT stamp.

Make sure your new tank has this DOT stamp.

[smithdoor]

If your gas supplier and tank is for exchange.
But if you are buying a tank and it is not exchange it is best to buy new tank or may or may have costly yard art.
Very old or from other parts of world are not DOT and can not get tank filled.

Most gas suppliers want buy there tank for exchange.

But like gambling buy use.

Dave

What, every used tank is automatically out of date ? You can't see the date for your self and decide to buy or not ? Even if it needed a hydro it doesn't make a bit of difference at majority of suppliers. They are all almost on exchange program.

You exchange them so nobody even looks at the date and doesn't matter anyhow if it is out of date they still exchange it and they pay for the hydro it needs. All part of exchange program.

If it fails a hydro they own it now so who cares. It is usually only grossly rusted cylinders that fail hydro when they should have been rejected based on precheck visual examination of the cylinder already. In any case they eat any that fail. They sure as heck don't put your name on the tank and call you up later to tell you a cylinder you exchanged last month just failed hydro. They all go into the inventory pool. If one gets trashed they don't care as that cost is figured in already.

[danielplace]

If your gas supplier and tank is for exchange.
But if you are buying a tank and it is not exchange it is best to buy new tank or may or may have costly yard art.
Very old or from other parts of world are not DOT and can not get tank filled.

Most gas suppliers want buy there tank for exchange.

But like gambling buy use.

Dave

If it was their tank you wouldn't own it they would and it would be a lease/rental bottle. If that is all they would fill/exchange you are at the wrong place for certain. Buy a new tank with their name on it you are really not smart as you just bought THEM a tank. You will only be able to do fill exchange it at their business and completely worthless for resale.

A customer owned tank is a customer owned tank no matter where it came from or where you are taking it. They will exchange or fill either one just the same at any supply house of Praxair, Airgas or Matheson that I have ever visited all over state of Florida at least.

I have no less than 20 tanks and any one of them can be taken anywhere for fill or exchange. BECAUSE I OWN THEM. Almost every one was purchased used.

Real simple stuff. Blank or "Customer Owned" neck ring on anything 125 cu ft or bigger is customer owned. The 150 cu ft is also a customer owned bottle regardless of neck ring. Everything smaller than 125 cu ft is customer owned regardless of neck ring.

My local Airgas refused to fill a brand new tank which had ISO, but no DOT stamp.

Make sure your new tank has this DOT stamp.

Sounds like a new tank just as risky, eh ? Heard that before that the ones from Harbor Freight are ISO and some places will not fill them.

[ezduzit]

Cyberweld has a good price on a 60 cu ft tank. Perfect addition to your big tanks if you need portability.

[danielplace]

Cyberweld has a good price on a 60 cu ft tank. Perfect addition to your big tanks if you need portability.

Then you just buy a high pressure hose and fill them yourself off your 250's or 330's so you don't get robbed on refills for the little guy.

[smithdoor]

Taking about getting a tank filled.
If tank fails test then you have yard art. Part test is if it stamp and meets DOT spec.
So own a tank that can not be filled.

Dave

If it was their tank you wouldn't own it they would and it would be a lease/rental bottle. If that is all they would fill/exchange you are at the wrong place for certain. Buy a new tank with their name on it you are really not smart as you just bought THEM a tank. You will only be able to do fill exchange it at their business and completely worthless for resale.

A customer owned tank is a customer owned tank no matter where it came from or where you are taking it. They will exchange or fill either one just the same at any supply house of Praxair, Airgas or Matheson that I have ever visited all over state of Florida at least.

I have no less than 20 tanks and any one of them can be taken anywhere for fill or exchange. BECAUSE I OWN THEM. Almost every one was purchased used.

Real simple stuff. Blank or "Customer Owned" neck ring on anything 125 cu ft or bigger is customer owned. The 150 cu ft is also a customer owned bottle regardless of neck ring. Everything smaller than 125 cu ft is customer owned regardless of neck ring.



Sounds like a new tank just as risky, eh ? Heard that before that the ones from Harbor Freight are ISO and some places will not fill them.

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