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    Moved A Fill Bong On Diesel Tank

    Diesel tank, took about five hours with a trip Coast Welding Supply, but it came out ok. It is going to get Bondo and paint tomorrow.

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    Re: Moved A Fill Bong On Diesel Tank


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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick View Post
    Diesel tank, took about five hours . . . it came out ok.
    It is going to get Bondo and paint tomorrow.

    William McCormick
    Bad Job . . .

    Air Plane Frames, NASCAR Frames, Pressure, and DOT
    Fuel tanks - require visible 'Virgin Weld Bead' profiles -

    Your product was passable - until you ground/grinded =
    Bondo is Fraud . . .

    hth


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    Re: Moved A Fill Bong On Diesel Tank

    Thatís a good observation opus.
    Now that I think about it almost every Diesel tank I see has visible welds.
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    Re: Moved A Fill Bong On Diesel Tank

    Quote Originally Posted by OPUS FERRO View Post

    William McCormick




    Bad Job . . .

    Air Plane Frames, NASCAR Frames, Pressure, and DOT
    Fuel tanks - require visible 'Virgin Weld Bead' profiles -

    Your product was passable - until you ground/grinded =
    Bondo is Fraud . . .

    hth


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    If you look inside there is a visable weld puddle, I penetrated heavy.

    Years ago it was the exact opposite you had to grind the weld. And if you came across porosity or something like that you found out what went wrong, and fixed it. The reason they stopped grinding welds is because it exposes the horror.

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    Re: Moved A Fill Bong On Diesel Tank

    Quote Originally Posted by OPUS FERRO View Post

    William McCormick




    Bad Job . . .

    Air Plane Frames, NASCAR Frames, Pressure, and DOT
    Fuel tanks - require visible 'Virgin Weld Bead' profiles -

    Your product was passable - until you ground/grinded =
    Bondo is Fraud . . .

    hth


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    To give you an idea while grinding I found a spot of Tungsten and ground it out, if it was any deeper I would have ground below the surface and went over the spot again. Guys do not penetrate anymore so if you grind the weld it fails, if you penetrate totally grinding is the right thing to do. It relieves the stress caused by the weld on the surface. But I hear you if that is the rule then that is the rule. But so many of the show trucks are done that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick View Post
    To give you an idea while grinding I found a spot of Tungsten and ground it out, if it was any deeper I would have ground below the surface and went over the spot again. Guys do not penetrate anymore so if you grind the weld it fails, if you penetrate totally grinding is the right thing to do. It relieves the stress caused by the weld on the surface. But I hear you if that is the rule then that is the rule. But so many of the show trucks are done that way.

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    most show trucks are NOT street legal....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbytime View Post
    most show trucks are NOT street legal....
    And you get them to the show how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick View Post
    And you get them to the show how?

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    by an enclosed trailer
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    of course duramax diesel

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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick View Post
    And you get them to the show how?

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    And how!

    Lots of things on the road these days are not street legal.

    My pet peeve are the idiots that put off-road LED lights on the front of their vehicle and blind everyone.

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    Re: Moved A Fill Bong On Diesel Tank

    393.67 appears to be still in force with regard to fuel tanks. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/393.67 For an actual view of the section, see CFR....available online on the FMCSA website. I don't see any mention of welding, other than all joints must be arc welded, brazed, etc.............see Sec C

    I found no requirement that the weld not be dressed, or smoothed, in any manner.

    IMHO, the better way would be to leave an exposed weld above the material surface. The bead provides addition reinforcement if not ground. But, that's just my opinion. I'm not a fan of welding thin material while solely relying on a gap to provide penetration.........I like that bit of metal above the seam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick View Post
    And you get them to the show how?

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    a trailer...as most of those show trucks are well over 100k easily, and all the chrome on them makes it unwise to drive on dirty roads, I have several friends with show cars and they get transported in enclosed trailers, if the show trucks are too big for a covered trailer they are tarped to keep road grime off of them, they can lose points at judging for having road crap all over their truck or cars..I dont have a clue about DOT tank standards, but a bit about show trucks and cars....

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    Quote Originally Posted by duramax-rob View Post
    by an enclosed trailer
    holy crab rob we agree on something..are the planets aligned today????

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    Re: Moved A Fill Bong On Diesel Tank

    I think that’s for a big truck. Probably a 3 or 4 axle truck possibly more. I don’t think those fit into enclosed trailers

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    Re: Moved A Fill Bong On Diesel Tank

    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
    393.67 appears to be still in force with regard to fuel tanks. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/393.67 For an actual view of the section, see CFR....available online on the FMCSA website. I don't see any mention of welding, other than all joints must be arc welded, brazed, etc.............see Sec C

    I found no requirement that the weld not be dressed, or smoothed, in any manner.

    IMHO, the better way would be to leave an exposed weld above the material surface. The bead provides addition reinforcement if not ground. But, that's just my opinion. I'm not a fan of welding thin material while solely relying on a gap to provide penetration.........I like that bit of metal above the seam.

    The raised weld bead is on the inside. Not that you need it but it is there. Aluminum is a funny metal right after welding the weld is soft but after a couple of months, it gets age hardened. That is why I never recommend anything but 40-43 filler. Other more brittle rods, later on, will continue to get harder and harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbytime View Post
    a trailer...as most of those show trucks are well over 100k easily, and all the chrome on them makes it unwise to drive on dirty roads, I have several friends with show cars and they get transported in enclosed trailers, if the show trucks are too big for a covered trailer they are tarped to keep road grime off of them, they can lose points at judging for having road crap all over their truck or cars..I dont have a clue about DOT tank standards, but a bit about show trucks and cars....
    The guys often make a show because they have a job on the way, many of the trucks are work trucks. To get a low flatbed to put the tractor on and another tractor to pull it is pretty costly. They just do what they love doing when they get to the show, and that is, polish up their trucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick View Post
    The guys often make a show because they have a job on the way, many of the trucks are work trucks. To get a low flatbed to put the tractor on and another tractor to pull it is pretty costly. They just do what they love doing when they get to the show, and that is, polish up their trucks.

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    Exactly.

    There are a couple trucks up in Boston I see like that.

    They ARE work trucks but then again they are not very practical.
    Most of them have very long (ridiculous) wheelbases
    And very low to the ground...

    I suppose if youíre going to just hit the freeway and do a drop and hook it would be OK. But to actually back in a 53 foot trailer anywhere tight is a royal pain in the nuts.
    Especially when youíre literally sitting on the floor and the gear shifter is at the ceiling..... LOL !
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    Quote Originally Posted by John T View Post
    And how!

    Lots of things on the road these days are not street legal.

    My pet peeve are the idiots that put off-road LED lights on the front of their vehicle and blind everyone.

    Cars and big trucks
    My son has the light bar mounted on his Blacked out Chevy suburban. He only turns them on when someone is in the left lane and will not yield to the right. Haha. It is kind of funny to see. Years ago when he was younger he bought an AR15 and put one of those blinding bright lights on it. I was asleep I had to be up early. He comes into my room yelling "FREEZE ON THE GROUND", puts his foot on me to hold me down, and blinds me with the light. And then just leaves my room. I had a burned-in image of the light in my retinas. After a while, I started to think it was some kind of insane dream I had and fell asleep. So the next day I wake up and look at my white sheet and his boot print is on it. I said to myself "that little bastard" with that he comes in again and pulls the same stunt. That time I grabbed his gun and took it away. I love him so much though I cannot stay mad at him, he makes me laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T View Post
    Exactly.

    There are a couple trucks up in Boston I see like that.

    They ARE work trucks but then again they are not very practical.
    Most of them have very long (ridiculous) wheelbases
    And very low to the ground...

    I suppose if youíre going to just hit the freeway and do a drop and hook it would be OK. But to actually back in a 53 foot trailer anywhere tight is a royal pain in the nuts.
    Especially when youíre literally sitting on the floor and the gear shifter is at the ceiling..... LOL !
    I know a couple of those guys...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12V71 View Post
    I know a couple of those guys...
    Seen a few myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronsii View Post
    Seen a few myself
    I had one guy that complained constantly about his 18 speed jumping out of gear in the front holes... I took away his 18" shifter extension and threw it in the scrap bin, his boss approved of that move, the extra weight would pop it out on a rough road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12V71 View Post
    I had one guy that complained constantly about his 18 speed jumping out of gear in the front holes... I took away his 18" shifter extension and threw it in the scrap bin, his boss approved of that move, the extra weight would pop it out on a rough road.
    But now he won't have that 'extra' leverage to really grind it in those 'sticky' gears!!!!

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    Re: Moved A Fill Bong On Diesel Tank

    I'm not familiar with diesel tanks, but 21 replies and none pointed out the difference between a bong and a bung?

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    Re: Moved A Fill Bong On Diesel Tank

    It's actually spelled "Bhong" if you smoke out of it.

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