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Nice job as always!!!! You certainly put plenty of top quality workmanship into your repairs
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Originally Posted by
ronsii
Nice job as always!!!! You certainly put plenty of top quality workmanship into your repairs
Thanks, I like to always fix the root cause of the problem in addition to the welding.
-Don
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Some gussets welded to your modification going to the legs would give your tabs some support when the screws are against the tree. A little pressure from the screws will bend your tabs. Bob
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Originally Posted by
rhunt
Some gussets welded to your modification going to the legs would give your tabs some support when the screws are against the tree. A little pressure from the screws will bend your tabs. Bob
I agree, the weight of a large tree leaning in any direction will bend those tabs.
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Crazy price for a IMO ugly and weak stand... gives me hope! haha
Pretty involved fix, and though very well done I (like others) think those tabs will also bend with the forces involved.
My advice for a fix would be either
A ring of thicker material welded to the top, or ring reinforcing existing material with stitch welds tied into legs - with nuts attached to thicker portion (might need load spreading washer/backer depending on strength of ring),
Or You could also attach thicker flat bar that runs all the way down the tube (tying into the legs) - essentially extending the thick tabs to to the base of the stand.
If your fix works in the long run I was wrong and owe you a beer though! Like I said, it was well done though I think the design was wrong.
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Originally Posted by
Don52
Thanks, I like to always fix the root cause of the problem in addition to the welding.
-Don
Very nice work!!! It's at least a couple times stronger than stock
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Don52
Originally Posted by
Don52
One of the engineers that I work with dropped off
a heavy duty Christmas tree stand to be repaired.
'The engineer' - what field? . . . and who build the
original-miscarriage . . . ?
Opus
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Last edited by 12V71; 05-30-2020 at 10:47 PM.
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Originally Posted by
ronsii
Lol!!! Yeah I've seen a few 12 pound kitties go climbing before.
This guy is closer to 21. We call him the O'beastie. He loves to open UPS packages.
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Poorly engineered stand.....Nice repair on a piece of junk.
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Make you wonder if it would be cheaper to build from original parts instead of modifying/fixing the broken design.
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robson1015
Poorly engineered stand.....Nice repair on a piece of junk.
It's an age-old problem. The cost of the repair would have gone a long way toward the purchase of a new stand. But then he'd have a new, poorly designed stand that is sure to fail in the same way eventually. So repair and modify the old one so it lasts a bit longer this time around. Anyway, I always enjoy seeing how people do these sorts of things--I'm only a hobby welder so I have a lot to learn.
Tim
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Several people suggested additional steps that could be taken to prevent the tabs from bending. I always enjoy brainstorming with competent mechanics. I agree that any of these approaches would have made it much more robust. If it were my stand I would have incorporated one of these enhancements.
Originally Posted by
rhunt
Some gussets welded to your modification going to the legs would give your tabs some support when the screws are against the tree. A little pressure from the screws will bend your tabs. Bob
Originally Posted by
Dee_veloper
I agree, the weight of a large tree leaning in any direction will bend those tabs.
Originally Posted by
SlowBlues
Crazy price for a IMO ugly and weak stand... gives me hope! haha
Pretty involved fix, and though very well done I (like others) think those tabs will also bend with the forces involved.
My advice for a fix would be either
A ring of thicker material welded to the top, or ring reinforcing existing material with stitch welds tied into legs - with nuts attached to thicker portion (might need load spreading washer/backer depending on strength of ring),
Or You could also attach thicker flat bar that runs all the way down the tube (tying into the legs) - essentially extending the thick tabs to to the base of the stand.
If your fix works in the long run I was wrong and owe you a beer though! Like I said, it was well done though I think the design was wrong.
The customer just asked me to weld on four nuts, because two of the four PEM nuts fell off. After examining the stand I noticed a few things wrong.
- The tabs were bent in the middle.
- There was very little metal left around the hole to weld on the new nut.
- The tree spike was cracked on the bottom.
- There was a crack through the bottom, which would cause the tree water to leak out on the floor.
I ran the additional cost to repair the obvious problems by my customer and he agreed to cover it.
My customer owned the stand for 5 years and the base of tabs were not bent (as you can see in slide 17).
He must have been careful with the stand, because a screw gives you more than enough leverage to bend the tabs.
Originally Posted by
timrb
It's an age-old problem. The cost of the repair would have gone a long way toward the purchase of a new stand. But then he'd have a new, poorly designed stand that is sure to fail in the same way eventually. So repair and modify the old one so it lasts a bit longer this time around. Anyway, I always enjoy seeing how people do these sorts of things--I'm only a hobby welder so I have a lot to learn.
Tim
I encountered the classic problem; How far to go on a repair.
Thank you for all of your comments.
It makes the thread much more interesting
Originally Posted by
12V71
I have the cat to test xmas tree stands. He may look dumb, but that's just a disguise.
This guy is closer to 21. We call him the O'beastie. He loves to open UPS packages.
If my customer had a cat like O'beastie, he would definitely require the suggested enhancements.
-Don
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Looks about as good as a guy can do with what's at hand. Good job.
Issue ain't the tabs...……………...wrong to focus on the tabs as the weakness. It's the material the tabs are connected to that poses the issue. The thin pipe is just that...…..thin pipe. It'll bend before the tabs do...……..can't do a thing about it, unless you literally redesign the crazy thing.
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Best suggestion so far...……….a piece flat extending to base of pipe incorporating the bolt thingy. You spread the load all over that thin wall crap. I think ShowBlues got it right
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