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    If you really want back pain, get hit with Multiple Myeloma(bone marrow cancer) in your back. Caused compression fractures in 10 of my vertebrae. Was taking Dilaudid (hydromorphone) like candy. Now mostly just take the 12 hour long acting but at times my back can be quite sore. Had Vertebroplasty to repair 5 of the fractures but still have 5 more. Have a phone conference with the specialist in a week or so. If he wants to do the procedure on the other 5 I have no objections. It's like a miracle cure! They basically use a bone cement to repair the fractures and create like an inner cast for your spine. It really sucks having a constant aching back. The good thing is I can usually find a comfortable position to sleep and get some good rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    I am insured through Kaiser. So I don't think they will be subscribing any mary feel good oils or recs of optimum supliers. I'll have to find an independant doc and pay out of pocket for all of it.
    Lots of stuff is reasonable like the (legal since it's not cannabis) Delta 8 compounds. I've been sampling those by mail and they help with rest which opiates of course do not.

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    When you are ready to live without back pain,, go on YouTube, and watch videos until you find the people that discuss KETO diet, and pain.

    I am not going to give a video recommendation,, you really need to find it on your own, so that you see a variety of the KETO/PAIN videos.

    Heck there have even been Knockdown-Dragout lawsuits over the KETO-PAIN subject (KETO won)

    You can poo-poo KETO,, but, to me, it truly works,, and WAY better than ANY pain med I have ever taken.

    KETO is tough,, I am not talking 50% KETO,, you gotta go full blown KETO for it to help a LOT!
    (Yes, some KETO does help a little,, but, what is the use to that!!? you will still be complaining,,)

    (IIRC, the lawsuit was a DR prescribing KETO, for the patients pain,, and some GOVT organization said that the KETO was gonna make the patient sicker,, it was "down under" in Australia,, I remember seeing the people in tears over the lawsuit,,)

    Oh, yea, I forgot to mention,, you are gonna be REALLY PIZZED when you find out how much pain a couple ears of corn,, or some bread, will cause!
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    Sorry if this has been posted. I just saw this thread and have not read all the comments. I swear by stretching the hamstrings, strengthening the core and DEEP TISSUE MASSAGE. The message is not offered in very many places many say the do it but just "push" harder. It does hurt like hell. Go with an empty stomach sometimes my guy pushes on my stomach to loosen the back. I'm 58 life long powerlifter type, I was skeptical it would help. It did wonders for me.

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    I think it really depends on what type of back pain you have and what caused it as to what works best to help alleviate some of the pain. Before I was diagnosed I just had severe back pain. Some suggested I see a chiropractor. X-rays, CT scans and even bone scans with dye will not show anything inside the bones. Had I gone to a chiropractor I'd probably be crippled for life and confined to a wheelchair, unless they realized right away it was something more serious or I screamed in pain loud enough to deafen them. Different things work for different people. There isn't a miracle cure all for back pain. Having a healthy diet goes a long way as do some supplements. I'm still on powerful narcotics and Gabapentin to relieve some of the pain and trying to gain back the weight I lost. My taste buds are screwed up so I eat what I can or at least what I can tolerate. My sister suggested I make smoothies that I can put ingredients like Kale in and chop it up so fine you don't notice it. I'm going to try that. At least I should be able to make it a tolerable taste with the other ingredients. I have made ice cream shakes with yogurt and other ingredients that taste pretty good.

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    When dealing with back pain, I think it matters, a lot what is causing the pain, both spine surgeons and my pain management doctor said to absolutely stay away from inversion machines. I don't know what's going on but the pain has increased greatly in the last few months, I had to get x-rays & hopefully will find out more in August. I know that I do have some broken hardware, hopefully nothing else has changed or moved. I'm on Oxycodone, Tramadol, and supplement with Naproxen, tylenol, and Ibuprofen, it seems the naproxen seems to be the best for the OTC meds.
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    I have X-rays, cat scan and MRI showing 5 back ingrery.

    The pain was stage 4 cancer.
    With that the doctors will give a 30 day supply of pain pills.
    But after 30 days of chemo I did not need pain pills.

    Dave

    Quote Originally Posted by CAVEMANN View Post
    When dealing with back pain, I think it matters, a lot what is causing the pain, both spine surgeons and my pain management doctor said to absolutely stay away from inversion machines. I don't know what's going on but the pain has increased greatly in the last few months, I had to get x-rays & hopefully will find out more in August. I know that I do have some broken hardware, hopefully nothing else has changed or moved. I'm on Oxycodone, Tramadol, and supplement with Naproxen, tylenol, and Ibuprofen, it seems the naproxen seems to be the best for the OTC meds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithdoor View Post
    I have X-rays, cat scan and MRI showing 5 back ingrery.

    The pain was stage 4 cancer.
    With that the doctors will give a 30 day supply of pain pills.
    But after 30 days of chemo I did not need pain pills.

    Dave
    I have a pain contract with my pain management doctor, that supplies a 30 day supply of oxycodone, tramadol, and 90 days of gabapentin, I see him every 3 months, I've tried to get the insurance to allow me to use medical marijuana to get away from the opioids but they follow federal drug laws so I'm stuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CAVEMANN View Post
    I've tried to get the insurance to allow me to use medical marijuana to get away from the opioids but they follow federal drug laws so I'm stuck.
    They are gonna lesson the laws on cannabis in Virginia July 1, 2021,, legal to possess an ounce,, etc,, but, no one I know is brave enough to discuss the cannabis use in relation to pain treatment,,

    Don't want to make the docs mad,, I guess,,

    Weed came along after my pre-21 years,, so I never messed with it,,
    Maybe I will try it to see what all the hub-bub is about,,

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    I'm happy I haven't had any bad side effects from chemo yesterday. My doses were cut in half. I was off chemo for 2 weeks (about 3 weeks all together) but I was wishing for death laying in the hospital the last time. It really was that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetMK View Post
    They are gonna lesson the laws on cannabis in Virginia July 1, 2021,, legal to possess an ounce,, etc,, but, no one I know is brave enough to discuss the cannabis use in relation to pain treatment,,

    Don't want to make the docs mad,, I guess,,

    Weed came along after my pre-21 years,, so I never messed with it,,
    Maybe I will try it to see what all the hub-bub is about,,
    I was one of those people that considered marijuane a drug just like heroin or lsd, it wasn't until I heard of a little girl that had a severe seizure disorder, often having 50 or more seizures a day, a grower in California started compounding compounds fro different strains of marijuana and found a blend that workws , not only did it slow the seizures, it almost completely eliminated them, one drop under the tongue, I don't remember how many times a day. As a dad with a daugther that had seizures I can tell you that there was nothing that I wouldn't have done, she thankfully outgrew them by the time she was 8 or so.
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    I am sorry 😞 with side effects
    Best wishes.

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    I'm happy I haven't had any bad side effects from chemo yesterday. My doses were cut in half. I was off chemo for 2 weeks (about 3 weeks all together) but I was wishing for death laying in the hospital the last time. It really was that bad.

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    I remember when my back hurt, nothing helped me. I didn't even know what to do, it felt like I had tried everything in this life. Yoga helped me. Every day of yoga for a whole month freed me from pain.

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    A friend gave me an abdominal wheel to excercise with, best thing I've ever done. Like others on here, I'm 6 foot and slender, welding and construction and also tech diving with heavy double steel tanks put a load on my back. The ab wheel, used every morning, has put an end to any back problems and gives me confidence to lift heavier loads, like T bottles of oxygen. At start, you'll only be able to do 4 or 5 reps, but I've worked up to 50 at a go, so 5 minutes in the morning and I'm good for the day. Also gives you the flat tummie and six pack abs that the girls like.

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    I got news today that the specialist wants to do another Vertebroplasty procedure to repair the other compression fractures in my back. Oh happy day!!! Will be so nice not having a constant ache in my back, especially after standing for a while. Will be even nicer not having to take the strong pain meds too. Dr. thinks it's good to have done before the stem cell transplant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welder Dave View Post
    I got news today that the specialist wants to do another Vertebroplasty procedure to repair the other compression fractures in my back. Oh happy day!!! Will be so nice not having a constant ache in my back, especially after standing for a while. Will be even nicer not having to take the strong pain meds too. Dr. thinks it's good to have done before the stem cell transplant.
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    Busted my back real good back in the day when I was slinging coin and currency for a living. Still wince every time I watch an armored car heist on tv!

    Aside from pretty much ruining my life's trajectory, there isn't anything that can be done about it.

    Two things I've found that work fantastic for alleviating some of the pain:

    Extra-heavy-duty Purple Cushion. They're expensive, but oh so worth it. I would never have thought one of their cushions would be worth a hoot, but it's made a world of difference and I don't know that I'd trust any of the knock-off chicom garbage that's cheaper. Plus, the $150 they'll set you back is still cheaper than going to a chiropractor or doctor just once.

    Even if you don't think you sit down a lot, you probably sit down far more than you're thinking you do, and that's going to put pressure on the spine and the sciatic nerve, and whatever else is in there. Get the cushion and you'll thank me for it. Every little bit helps, and the cushions make a very big difference, I've found.

    Second on the list.... magnesium and potassium.

    Yea, you're likely thinking what I was thinking. I tried it just to shut my mother up about it since she was always going on about it. The first time I popped a couple of those vitamins, I could literally feel the muscles in my lower back start relaxing within minutes. It was very weird, to say the least, because it was happening as fast as I could digest the pills!

    Was it a fluke? Some kind of psychosomatic reaction?

    I can't believe that because the last thing I would have imagined is my mother being right about how magnesium and potassium can help with such things.

    That's been a couple weeks and I've taken the two pills every day since. Where I used to need 1000mg of Ibuprofen twice a day, especially if I wanted to sleep, now I can get by with 600mg once a day.... and there are some days when I don't take any.

    Never in a million years would I have thought that was possible, but I can feel it working every day. Blows my mind, but I can report that those two vitamins are every bit as good for me as a single Aleve.

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    Had some potassium pills but they were huge! Even breaking them smaller I just couldn't swallow them. Had some liquid potassium in the hospital and that was was the worst stuff I've ever had to swallow! I eat a banana everyday for potassium though. Going to look at different pillows/pads to sit on on Thursday after chemo. My back pain is cancer related so may be different in what works to alleviate the pain. I take 12 hour long acting Dilaudid and Gabapentin for pain meds and have some fast acting Dilauded I can take as needed. They gave me a prescription for 300 pills but I don't need them very often. I could make some good money if I was a drug pusher. LoL Really looking forward to having another Vertebroplasty procedure. The difference it makes is nothing short of amazing. My pain level was about 1000 out of 10 before the 1st procedure and a few hours after about 8 to 9 out of 10. I was still in pain but at least it was on a scale. I didn't get major spasms if I mover a centimeter the wrong way. The bad part was the procedure was postponed 3 times and I was in agony. It's a good thing a really nice psychiatrist I liked told me it was postponed the 3rd time. I threw a small pillow across my room. Had a nurse told me, it would have been my food tray. The psychiatrist also looked into why it was postponed. I agreed with her that if a child was injured that needed the specialist would be a good reason I was bumped. If it was something more routine I had good reason to be pi$$ed. It's hard thinking back to the pain I was in. I feel for anyone that has had to suffer that kind of pain. I was wishing for death a few times... Anything to stop the pain!

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    Had some potassium pills but they were huge! Even breaking them smaller I just couldn't swallow them.
    Look into another brand with a smaller dose. The ones I have aren't any bigger than an aspirin and seem to do the job well enough. I wonder if it's not a combo between the magnesium and potassium. Don't know as I've been taking them both and don't want to rock the boat just in case it is a combined effort.

    As for the cushion, get the Purple brand. This is the one I got: https://purple.com/seat-cushions/ultimate

    I was surprised at how heavy the things are. I've tried a lot of cushions over the years, but this is the only one that doesn't crush down to nothing after an hour or so, and that divot in the back for your tailbone relieves a lot of pressure off the spine!

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    Dave, I take Potassium daily, they're rather large too, but required for another medicine I take, my wife takes an equivalent dose that are a different brand, I just got blood work done & my potassium was fine, on the lower side of normal, my Magnesium was however low, even with the 2 240 mg supplements I was taking, so I added another 400 mg. I ended up in the hospital last year after passing out for no apparent reason, the only thing found was low magnesium. Low minerals such as postassium & magnesium can raise hell with other components of our body's, magnesium can raise calcium levels which you may know can be an indicator for cancer, cancer anywhere in your body. Do what you need to do to take them, but keep an eye on them through bloodwork. Take care !
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    I got a gel foam coccyx cushion with a cut out for the tail bone area. I'll see how it does but seems to be a big help so far. It must be a common problem that there are special coccyx cushions. If it just collapses to nothing after a while, I'll look into a Purple cushion. I'm having regular blood work done to keep an eye on everything. I would prefer taking 2 or 3 smaller potassium pills instead of the giant horse pills. I do try to eat a banana everyday. Calcium in my blood was off the chart according to the wonderful Dr. who ordered a more complex blood test. That's where I learned I had Multiple Myeloma and it wasn't muscle related. It was good and bad news. Good that I finally knew what was wrong and the meds I was getting were not good for what I had. Bad because I was given a cancer diagnosis out of the blue. A bone marrow and bone biopsy confirmed the diagnosis. I picked up some chewable vitamins with calcium and vitamin D that should give me the required amounts. Seems odd that I need calcium but it should help strengthen my bones instead of going into my blood. I also got a cane as the OT that came to the house recommended one. I don't really need it but it's nice if I walk on uneven ground or stumbled a bit. I can also lean on it if I'm tired or my back is sore from being on my feet too long. I think it could also let other people know why I have a pass to park in a handicap spot. It's temporary for 6 month's but saves me from having to walk long distances in parking lots.

    I'm so looking forward to having another Vertebroplasty procedure to repair the other fractures in my back. If it's even half as good as the first procedure I'll be doing back flips and gymnastics in short order. It is like a miracle cure(almost instant results) and I'm so happy the specialist wants to do more. Will be so nice if I don't have to deal with back pain while getting the stem cell/bone marrow transplant on Aug. 10. Still not sure how long I'll be in the cancer institute but a few weeks for sure. The good thing is I like it there because they really look after you unlike the hospital where half the nurses could care less how you feel.
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    [QUOTE=CAVEMANN;8817945]Low minerals such as postassium & magnesium can raise hell with other components of our body.../QUOTE]

    No joke.

    Honestly, I would never have believed it until I took the Magnesium and Potassium that first week and saw how other problems I was having seemed to dry up almost overnight. Blew my mind to think that I was just not getting enough Potassium and Magnesium in the diet! What really pissed me off was the fact that I burned up years of just thinking it was typical stuff that happens to a guy as he ages. It never occurred to me that I could change my diet or pop a couple of vitamins and it'd all ease up!

    Magnesium for pain.... why is this not in all our school books?

    Funny, too, since I used to take GNC's Ultra Mega Gold for Men back when I was working out hard. That stuff is amazing for all the micro-nutrients it packs into one serving, and I should have known that little changes can make a big difference. I still recommend UMGM for folks that want a quality vitamin that they can trust. The body-building industry pays very close attention to such things, and it wouldn't survive long on the market if it wasn't accurate. You can't say the same for most things on the store shelf.

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    I'll ask the Dr. what my blood work shows. He usually tells me everything and explains things very well. I will have to see what the 2nd vertebroplasty procedure does and then the stem cell transport shortly thereafter. Will be nice to not have to take Dilauded and Gabapentin for pain on a daily basis. The vertebroplasty basically forms an internal cast for your vertebrae and if the 2nd procedure gets all of the fractured ones hopefully I won't need pain meds for my vertebrea. The unknown is if the cancer is affecting any other bones or areas that require pain meds. Was told the shingles I had several month's ago could have been the first signs of cancer. Will be so nice if my next check up still shows my cancer level at a 2. Then maybe the transplant will bring it down even further. That would be the ultimate outcome!

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    I'll ask the Dr. what my blood work shows. He usually tells me everything and explains things very well. I will have to see what the 2nd vertebroplasty procedure does and then the stem cell transport shortly thereafter. Will be nice to not have to take Dilauded and Gabapentin for pain on a daily basis. The vertebroplasty basically forms an internal cast for your vertebrae and if the 2nd procedure gets all of the fractured ones hopefully I won't need pain meds for my vertebrea. The unknown is if the cancer is affecting any other bones or areas that require pain meds. Was told the shingles I had several month's ago could have been the first signs of cancer. Will be so nice if my next check up still shows my cancer level at a 2. Then maybe the transplant will bring it down even further. That would be the ultimate outcome!
    Wow, I thought shingles were a carryover from chickenpox. My wife works for an eye doctor and there's been numerous times when he's found things in the eye exam & he's told the patient to get to a General Practitioner or a particular specialist ASAP, our eyes are truly the window to our souls, and body too!
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    On a lighter note, I was talking to a fellow yesterday & had mentioned welder dave & his pain , he suggested getting a little Fleischman's margerine & rubbing it between your fingers & said you'd feel BUTTER after a short time.
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