back pain thread

[farmersammm]

Pain medication should only be used as a temporary thing and limit physical activities as to not further the injuries while the pain killers are working. Other thing with taking pain pills is the effects they can have on your organs “ stomach, eyes, kidneys, liver, heart etc”. They should not be taken for very long extended periods of time and having a very good diet while on the pain medication can help to midigate some of the effects pills can have on your stomach etc. pain sucks. If you can go without surgery that is best. But if you can’t find the best surgeon with the best track record of successful outcomes. A bad surgery can leave you in pain for the rest of your life just as much as a bad injury that never heals properly.

Tell that to the azzhole doctors who prescribed nearly unlimited oxy. They didn't care, and nobody else did. The result....................incredible numbers of overdose deaths when people couldn't get the oxy, and turned to fentanyl.

They took Purdue Pharma to court, but the doctors who prescribed the sht got away free as a bird. You might not like unions, but doctors have the strongest union on the face of the planet.............it's called the AMA.

[farmersammm]

Hell................people that needed pain management even turned to heroin. The oxy was that addictive.

[CAVEMANN]

Pain medication should only be used as a temporary thing and limit physical activities as to not further the injuries while the pain killers are working. Other thing with taking pain pills is the effects they can have on your organs “ stomach, eyes, kidneys, liver, heart etc”. They should not be taken for very long extended periods of time and having a very good diet while on the pain medication can help to midigate some of the effects pills can have on your stomach etc. pain sucks. If you can go without surgery that is best. But if you can’t find the best surgeon with the best track record of successful outcomes. A bad surgery can leave you in pain for the rest of your life just as much as a bad injury that never heals properly.

Not always true, there's acute versus chronic pain, your thoughts are correct for acute pain, but for chronic pain it's different, I'm on oxycodone 10mg twice a day, it kind of knocks the edge off, but it's supplemented with Tylenol and Ibuprophen, and sometimes Naproxen, all three of the over the counter meds are far worse for your body than oxy. My back injury was on the job so I get workmen's comp, they random test for drugs so I can't have medical marijuana because they follow federal law, my pain management doc supports marijuana but can't give it to me. It's a bunch of BULL EXCREMENT!

[NotaVegetarian]

Medical Marijuana? Beats the heck out of having to take pain killers. If it's available in your state, I think it's definitely worth a shot.

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Ok I’m game will try some ship a pound or two. What ever you think would help and I will give it a fair test.

[NotaVegetarian]

They now are trying me on a new compound to apply to my back, it’s cyclobenzaprine HCI 11% gabapentin 16%, Ketoprofen 15%, lidocaine 11%, Prilocaine 11%, you have to apply this 1.5 Grams 3 to 4 times daily. The new muscle relaxers are Tinzanidine 2-4mg tab 4x daily, still on hydrocodone 2-7.5/325 .every 4-6 hours. Well enough about my drug problems. I walk like drunk, my hands shake, still have constant pressure in my back after standing 15-20 minutes it’s pain. This is no fun

[smithdoor]

That will kill you.
The lidocaine is OK
I took gabapentin last year and everyone was thinking was dieing.
Could not walk .
The doctors in hospital was thinking die and give me more.
My said stop taking the #%%$$.
I did and two days later I was willing the crawl out hospital 🏥 to get out the #$$#%.
My wife pick, today now I am hand digging and installing new irrigation in front yard. Last week my wife and remove a iron fence and installed a new fence.

Dave

They now are trying me on a new compound to apply to my back, it’s cyclobenzaprine HCI 11% gabapentin 16%, Ketoprofen 15%, lidocaine 11%, Prilocaine 11%, you have to apply this 1.5 Grams 3 to 4 times daily. The new muscle relaxers are Tinzanidine 2-4mg tab 4x daily, still on hydrocodone 2-7.5/325 .every 4-6 hours. Well enough about my drug problems. I walk like drunk, my hands shake, still have constant pressure in my back after standing 15-20 minutes it’s pain. This is no fun

[NotaVegetarian]

My wife said those muscle relaxers are keeping me from walking straight. Don’t think I care for them too much

[smithdoor]

She is right
That stuff will kill you or leave as a vegetable in bed.

Today I am not on any pain pills .
I have one I take daily RX and chemo 2 weeks out of 4
Also a white blood cell shot every 4 weeks that I give myself.

So want cover get off the RX before it kills you.
Pain will not kill you

Dave

My wife said those muscle relaxers are keeping me from walking straight. Don’t think I care for them too much

[SweetMK]

NotaVegetarian ,, I have chronic back, and leg pain,, my BIG dilemma is determining what is causing the pain THAT particular day.

My pain can be from nerve, muscle, joint, and "OTHER". (Other being barometric pressure change pain,)
For muscle, tizanidine is good, but, for me methocarbamol is even better. (I get the methocarbamol from Sams Club, 750Mg is dirt cheap if you are a Prime member)
(NOTE,, gotta be careful, LOTS of prescriptions are cheaper at Sams Club WITHOUT using insurance. ,, Most insurance dictates a minimum price the customer must pay,,Prime is cheaper)

Anyways, when I first startled taking methocarbamol, it relieved pain so well,, I thought it was a sleeping pill.
It turned out that I was just so un-rested from pain, when the pain finally went away, the effect was me wanting to catch up on sleep.
After a couple days, I could take the methocarbamol, and not sleep, I was finally caught up.

I get the 750Mg tablets, and only take half,, 750Mg is cheaper than 500Mg,, go figure.

For me, tizanidine is exactly like a sleeping pill,, I ONLY take it when I can not sleep.
My doc HATES that I have two different muscle relaxers,, but, after a few years, he finally trusts me as to how I use them.
(I do not take either EVERY day,,)

So, be careful that the cause of the pain is not changing THAT day,,
different causes of pain can require different types of meds.
For me, muscle relaxers do little for nerve type pain,,
Nothing seems to help my barometric pressure change induced pain,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[smithdoor]

My doctors had on everything thing for back injury .
The MRI showed 5 back injuries in 2018.
But the MRI does not show cancer.
All the gave did not help the pain.
Finally a biopsies was done and found the problem.
FYI back pain is nothing compared to cancer pain.

Last year on chemo the drug to fix side effects of chemo drug. The drug to fix the side effects of first fixer drug. Next a drug to fix the fixer.
In the hospital they gave more drugs which almost kill me.

If read pass posts I down to a RX only due to cancer and new chemo.
No more blood pressure pills

Dave

NotaVegetarian ,, I have chronic back, and leg pain,, my BIG dilemma is determining what is causing the pain THAT particular day.

My pain can be from nerve, muscle, joint, and "OTHER". (Other being barometric pressure change pain,)
For muscle, tizanidine is good, but, for me methocarbamol is even better. (I get the methocarbamol from Sams Club, 750Mg is dirt cheap if you are a Prime member)
(NOTE,, gotta be careful, LOTS of prescriptions are cheaper at Sams Club WITHOUT using insurance. ,, Most insurance dictates a minimum price the customer must pay,,Prime is cheaper)

Anyways, when I first startled taking methocarbamol, it relieved pain so well,, I thought it was a sleeping pill.
It turned out that I was just so un-rested from pain, when the pain finally went away, the effect was me wanting to catch up on sleep.
After a couple days, I could take the methocarbamol, and not sleep, I was finally caught up.

I get the 750Mg tablets, and only take half,, 750Mg is cheaper than 500Mg,, go figure.

For me, tizanidine is exactly like a sleeping pill,, I ONLY take it when I can not sleep.
My doc HATES that I have two different muscle relaxers,, but, after a few years, he finally trusts me as to how I use them.
(I do not take either EVERY day,,)

So, be careful that the cause of the pain is not changing THAT day,,
different causes of pain can require different types of meds.
For me, muscle relaxers do little for nerve type pain,,
Nothing seems to help my barometric pressure change induced pain,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Welder Dave]

Didn't read all the responses but am taking long acting Hydromorphone (8 times stronger than Morphine) 9mg twice a day and can take up to 3 1mg booster pills every 2 hours if required. I used to take 12mg Hydromorphone (Dilauded) twice a day. Whether or not it helps I can't really say because I've never went off it to see if there's any difference. If it is working I must have some pretty good pain because my back aches if I'm on my feet for more than about an hour and is worse if I'm bending and twisting or doing anything physical. I had 2 vertebroplasty procedures to repair 10 compression fractures in my vertebrae. Specialist said my spine is repaired but my kidneys could be causing all the aches and pains. In the last 2 month's I've also had bad aches in my joints. I wake up in my sleep before I have to get up and it's really hard to go back to sleep because I'm aching so much. A nurse said the different season's can also affect how much pain you have.

[smithdoor]

Sorry to hear 👂.

Dave

Didn't read all the responses but am taking long acting Hydromorphone (8 times stronger than Morphine) 9mg twice a day and can take up to 3 1mg booster pills every 2 hours if required. I used to take 12mg Hydromorphone (Dilauded) twice a day. Whether or not it helps I can't really say because I've never went off it to see if there's any difference. If it is working I must have some pretty good pain because my back aches if I'm on my feet for more than about an hour and is worse if I'm bending and twisting or doing anything physical. I had 2 vertebroplasty procedures to repair 10 compression fractures in my vertebrae. Specialist said my spine is repaired but my kidneys could be causing all the aches and pains. In the last 2 month's I've also had bad aches in my joints. I wake up in my sleep before I have to get up and it's really hard to go back to sleep because I'm aching so much. A nurse said the different season's can also affect how much pain you have.

[NotaVegetarian]

Seems that a bunch of us are in this boat. Don’t drink just don’t care for it have seen what it has done to others. Getting to where I don’t care for the meds but know they are helpful.

Received a notification today that the water at Paris island was contaminated. Don’t think it should be a class action suite but the VA take care of us.

Remember one guy got a gnat or something in his mouth and spit on the sand, DI went nuts made him pick up the sand and suck all the spit out of it. Then we all had us all to help him. Think we all swallowed it. Gave us all a speech you don’t spit on my island, you can piss on it, you can puke on it, you can bleed on it, you can even dig a hole and s***t on it. But you don’t spit on my island. Then PTed us. Trust me he said it all better than I wrote it

[smithdoor]

I only drink reverse osmosis water today.

Dave

Seems that a bunch of us are in this boat. Don’t drink just don’t care for it have seen what it has done to others. Getting to where I don’t care for the meds but know they are helpful.

Received a notification today that the water at Paris island was contaminated. Don’t think it should be a class action suite but the VA take care of us.

Remember one guy got a gnat or something in his mouth and spit on the sand, DI went nuts made him pick up the sand and suck all the spit out of it. Then we all had us all to help him. Think we all swallowed it. Gave us all a speech you don’t spit on my island, you can piss on it, you can puke on it, you can bleed on it, you can even dig a hole and s***t on it. But you don’t spit on my island. Then PTed us. Trust me he said it all better than I wrote it

[CAVEMANN]

My wife said those muscle relaxers are keeping me from walking straight. Don’t think I care for them too much

My wife used to to tell me to straighten up & walk straight, she had to apologize after I saw my surgeon again. It turns out that my spine was curved the wrong way and pretty much forced me to walk slumped over, the surgeon wanted me to go under the knife again but I chose not to, he wanted to redo the four levels that had previously been fused, add a fifth level of fusion, fuse my SI joints and add hardware from T10-S1 to stabilize my spine. A second doctor told me that it would have been well over a year of recovery time and would have probably ended up in a wheelchair.

[Welder Dave]

I have a curve in my spine from the 2 vertebroplasty procedures and lost about 3" in height. I used to walk kind of hunched over and people said I would have back problems. Oh I have back problems but it's more from the multiple myeloma. Now I at least have an excuse for walking hunched over.

[NotaVegetarian]

Man I’m sorry to hear this. Mine has calmed down a good bit since the doc changed my meds. Them muscle relaxers were wiping me out.

[Welder Dave]

I was setting up my drill press yesterday to work on my backhoe. Kneeling down (to adjust the leveling bolts) and getting back up is really hard on my back. I took today off to recover and hope to go out tomorrow to work on it. My partner came out to help me because I couldn't find anyone else. It went pretty good but I had to explain some real simple things (for most men) to her like how to use chain hooks and hook up a clevis. I guess it's something you take for granted that you think is straight forward. Anyway she was a big help and I couldn't have done it by myself.

[farmersammm]

Pain is a terrible thing because it's subjective. It's almost impossible to convey to another person how painful you feel. Doctors tend to downplay your pain symptoms. "Walk a mile in my shoes Brother".

[NotaVegetarian]

Chronic pain from arthritis, or injury, cancer, whatever it all sucks. It’s lingering all day all night everyday, sometimes it’s a light throb or stabbing, others it’s a debilitating pain so bad morphine won’t help. If you have not lived through this you will never understand. Prayers to all that do have and survive

[farmall]

Worth noting is everyone is different and different pain meds with the same MME (Morphine Milligram Equivalents) can have drastically different effects.

For example the only thing that worked for me was oxymorphone (decent for many years but didn't last as long as I needed) without side effects. Then my new pain doc suggested a Buprenorphine buccal (dissolving square, sticks inside the mouth) which lasts a bit longer and most importantly doesn't hit hard or fade quickly. No nausea or cramps either.

I'm also prescribed hydrocodone for flareups which permits a lower standard pain med dose than otherwise.

CBD also comes in many varieties but if you find a useful one it can help with general aches and sleep.

I found combined methods most effective. I keep 3% Diclofenac gel and Triamcinolone ointment (which also cleared my light psoriasis) with a spatula for convenient application to my lumbar area. Note the point of ointment is mostly to avoid the digestive tract so it can work applied to any area with good blood flow.

I don't have a junkie/drunk personality (amd detest those who do) so none of the opiates are an issue (I do a test withdrawal once a year and all I get is pain at the damaged regions).

Fortunately death solves it all sooner or later. Try different meds and get a clueful pain doc because the dumb sort are worse than useless.

Learn how to communicate or be skrewed, but that applies to life in general. Pain docs have seen every inarticulate junkie trying to scam them and sense that instantly. Be a reasonable adult and you'll be the patient they want to deal with.

[Welder Dave]

In my case I think it's just part of the recovery from the stem cell transplant and multiple myeloma. Dr. wants me to drink more water/Gatorade and thinks my kidneys could be what's making my back ache so much. Other joints in my body have really started aching more too in the last couple of month's. Maybe because I'm out and about more. I'm taking long acting Hydromorphone (9mg) twice a day and have some fast acting I can also take but rarely do. One of the Dr's. asked me if I notice a difference but I have nothing to compare it to. If the hydromorphone is working I must have considerable pain. It's apparently 8 times stronger than morphine. I don't know if I'll always have to take it. Good news is the myeloma is in full remission. Now if I could just gain some weight and not ache so much.

I know there are people trying to scam Dr's. into opioids but I have a real issue with 1 ER Dr. I went to. I had a CT scan at a new medical facility with an ER. After the CT scan I figured I might as well go the ER and find out what is causing my severe back pain. Dr. prescribes me 10 morphine pills and says the Toradol I'm taking isn't very strong. Very next night go back to the same ER (because I had been there before) in an ambulance in the worst pain you could imagine. I was given Toradol and morhine (3 times) on the way to the ER. Takes 2 paramedics to get me into a wheel chair after waiting about 20 minutes for another Toradol to work. Get into the room and the same Dr. see's me. Says I'm taking strong meds and asks "What do you want us to do for you" and discharges me. Before he leaves the room he says, "don't worry most back pain goes away". What an effing A-hole! He didn't diagnose anything and saw me for maybe 5inutes at the most. If I was some kind of drug abuser it would show on my history that he has full access to right in front of him. He also took exception the day before when I called the people on the ambulance Dr's... "paramedics" like he was so superior to them. They actually helped me. I had planned to make a formal complaint but I was busy getting treated in another hospital, then the cancer center and then had the stem cell transplant. I think he got his Dr's. license in a Cracker Jack box. It boils my blood every time I think of that idiot.

[duramax-rob]

That will kill you.
The lidocaine is OK
I took gabapentin last year and everyone was thinking was dieing.
Could not walk .
The doctors in hospital was thinking die and give me more.
My said stop taking the #%%$$.
I did and two days later I was willing the crawl out hospital �� to get out the #$$#%.
My wife pick, today now I am hand digging and installing new irrigation in front yard. Last week my wife and remove a iron fence and installed a new fence.

Dave

i have been on gebapetin for 25 years the max dose of 1200 mg 3times daily total 3600 mg/day. also tramadol max. think its 100mg 3times daily for 25years. also hydrocodone 10/250mg 2- 3 times a day but that has only been for 13 years. after 3-4 surgerys also took oxycodone . everyone has their own set of problems. and then you die!!!

[smithdoor]

I have tried tramadol it did not work.
Gebapetin only put hospital
Hydrocodone works if take it 4 times a day.
Never tried oxycodone.

The only thing that work was chemo.

Now I am down to two RX and one is a chemo drug.
Last year I had 10 rx plus chemo

Dave

i have been on gebapetin for 25 years the max dose of 1200 mg 3times daily total 3600 mg/day. also tramadol max. think its 100mg 3times daily for 25years. also hydrocodone 10/250mg 2- 3 times a day but that has only been for 13 years. after 3-4 surgerys also took oxycodone . everyone has their own set of problems. and then you die!!!

[NotaVegetarian]

OOhtay gang I have thrown in the towel. Have one more hoop for insurance an VA told the doctor I’m ready for surgery