6012cand 6013 rods

[Popeye an old miner]

One of the dozer operators gave me a milk crate full of various rods, some stainless 308 and 309 some 7018 some 6011 and some 6010. Ive got no problem with them Ive used all of those at one time or another, and whole lot of 7018.

There was a can of 6012 and a can of 6013 in there as well, Ive never used either of these for anything and Im not so sure what I would use em for. Im thinkin it wouldnt be much use on these buckets and such. I do use some 6011 or 6010 for a root sometimes mostly just to burn out the dirt and grease and oil that I cant get cleaned out otherwise, and for gaps, and to get a base metal to build on in those situations. Maybe they would work for that but im not so sure.
Any of you guys have any experience with these and what are your thoughts about them. Thank you.

[M J D]

Use them to stuff in a gap that needs to be filled. Pretty much useless for anything but sheet metal.

[Popeye an old miner]

The stuff I work on sure aint sheet metal, might come in handy for rotten old handrails?

[Lis2323]

This is a rolling truck deck mount for a 6000 pound forklift I built years ago when all I had was a buzz box using 1/8” 6013.





6013 was all I used on the farm for 50 years. You have it so may as well use it. JMHO


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[Popeye an old miner]

This is a rolling truck deck mount for a 6000 pound forklift I built years ago when all I had was a buzz box using 1/8” 6013.





6013 was all I used on the farm for 50 years. You have it so may as well use it. JMHO


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Thanks for that info...Ive never used them for anything, never had any to use either til now. Mostly run Innershield wide open these days, I will find something to burn em up on

[Insaneride]

I think 6012 is rutile ( whut ever that means) and is used Straight Polarity. Always remember to verify tho

[Sandy]

Just watch the 6013 on deep crevices, When it isn't bridging over it's filling it with slag so fast it hides lack of filler till you start chipping.

[tapwelder]

Save the 6013 til you run out of 7018, then buy some more 7018, before you use the 6013.

6013 welds pretty, then sometimes it won't. Been my experience. Can't really see a use for it in my shop.

I use to weld lots of 16g tube metal with 6013. rails and cages. Now I use mostly 14g stuff and 3/32 7018 will handle that.

[E T]

E6012 are rutile-cellulose rods and can be run vertical down.

[farmersammm]

6013 is ok if there's a lot of redundancy. More about the joint/structure design, than the actual performance of the rod.

I was still learning to weld when I made the ol' gal. All 6013 from the ground up. She'll pick up 4000# without breaking a sweat, although the tractor don't like it I fix a lot of wheels, and spindles. They weren't made for loaders back in the day.



Doesn't penetrate well, but if the weld design is good, it works (shrug)

If I had it to do over, I wouldn't use the stuff on a loader. But it keeps on holding things together (shrug). Only had an AC machine back then.

Always seems to be a lot of discussion about different rods. You can have the highest rated stuff on the planet, but if the design is lousy...….might as well use Scotch Tape.

[Popeye an old miner]

6013 is ok if there's a lot of redundancy. More about the joint/structure design, than the actual performance of the rod.

I was still learning to weld when I made the ol' gal. All 6013 from the ground up. She'll pick up 4000# without breaking a sweat, although the tractor don't like it I fix a lot of wheels, and spindles. They weren't made for loaders back in the day.



Doesn't penetrate well, but if the weld design is good, it works (shrug)

If I had it to do over, I wouldn't use the stuff on a loader. But it keeps on holding things together (shrug). Only had an AC machine back then.

Always seems to be a lot of discussion about different rods. You can have the highest rated stuff on the planet, but if the design is lousy...….might as well use Scotch Tape.

That's one helluva loader. nice job you done on it. I have to agree with you that the design of what your building and the joint configuration and the fitup is more important than the filler rod. What Im thinkin Id be using it for a root where the dirt and oil keeps falling down or running down form behind the plate I am trying to get welded on. More like a pad to build on with a 7018 or the innershield wire I use most of...sometimes you just cant get rid of it. Same thing I do with a 6010 or a 6011.


Many years ago I built hoppers chutes bins and such for coal breakers, the 6013 which I had heard of would probably have worked for that stuff, but I didn't need it, I had tons of 7018, 6011 and 6010 to work with. I used an old SA 200 that I put together from 3 of them, and used to keep that ol girl roaring all day long, damn that girl welded smooth, miss that old welder and the one I built after that one.


6012 I couldnt say much about, Ive never even seen any, anywhere until yesterday, I knew they were made but never seen em.


I got some free time this holiday weekend I figure I will experiment a bit with em and see what I think.


Thank you to all for the information and you all have a safe Happy 4th of July

[Bonzoo]

Thin box tube, 1/8" angle and stuff you can lay down "stick like mig" with a 6013 although 7014 is even nicer. It's easier to deal with the flux anyway.
Not all 6013 id made equal. They vary A LOT. I hate Hobarts(both of them) . lincoln is OK, Hilco red extra is the best and Blue Demon is close to in between

[docwelder]

i used a ton of 6013 and got pretty good results. i was on a low income housing project in brooklyn where we built 50 six family houses. these houses were all welded with 6013 using the lincoln tombstone ac welder on galvanized studs. i also used 6013 on pipe handrails. when the machine was set just right it made a very attractive weld that needed no grinding.

[Lis2323]

As I mentioned earlier I have fond memories of using 6013 on the farm. I had a tapped setting buzz box and didnt even know what DC was. In retrospect I realize now it wasn’t the best rod but it’s like your first girlfriend, car or gun I guess....


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[MISSING LINK]

Those two rods get a back rap. I know they are a non Lo-hy rod, but if that is the case our crusher building should have fallen down years ago as that was built all with non lo-hy rod in the late 50's mid 60's. Outside of work, I use those two rods for 90% of my stick weld projects, unless it is a shop job, then er70 hardwire with co2. Like was mentioned above, a bad joint, or crummy prep is not the rods fault for failure. I like them for railings, small brackets, bumpers, trailers and the like. I have been using them on applications where for whatever reason a 7018 weld will crack, and the 6013 will not. Can't explain it, but hey. Also have been experimenting welding grader blade wear bars to AR500 on the bottom of our pc4000 and Cat 6040 buckets. Proper cleaning and a small amount of preheat and they hold till they wear off. Mostly just to see how to do it incase I take a "here, weld this on my tractor" project outside of work job. Just my 2 Peso's. IMHO

[farmshop]

Like others said 6013 is a decent low penetration rod that burns through crap pretty well. Got a reputation as a farmer rod because they are easy to use and most of the farm supply buzz boxes run them well where they won’t run a 7018

[tweake]

over here they are called general purpose rods. get used on anything thats not structural.
however there is a huge range of 6012/6013. everything from sheet metal to pipeline. yes there is purpose built 6013 for pipeline and is regularly used in Europe.
you really need to know what brand etc they are to find out how to use them the best.

[farmersammm]

This'll rock yer world

https://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?19742-6013-dcen

He's put up quite a bit of stuff in the past. I remember a lot of it. Pretty cool.

[Popeye an old miner]

This'll rock yer world

https://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?19742-6013-dcen

He's put up quite a bit of stuff in the past. I remember a lot of it. Pretty cool.

That there is some beautiful welding. I never did much pipe work just the occasional water pipe in a coal breaker or 2, they were happy if I got 6011 root in it and it didn't spray water all over the place. sometimes I would get to complete one of em if it was Saturday or Sunday, but during the week if it blew aprt just fix it quick and get it running again. If I did complete one it never even came close to looking like that, I got a lot of respect for those pipers that can weld like that

[WNY_TomB]

6012 and 6013 are rutile based and act same with 6013 having more ionizers for AC welding machines for more stable arc.
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other countries often have mixed flux and might add some cellulose in so its like a mix of 6011 and 6013
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it takes skill to properly use 6012 or 6013 some inexperienced people have trouble making good welds with it cause they dont know enough to adapt their welding technique to the particular rod type.
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for example not using a big enough dia rod at high enough amps and not using a weave as needed to counter cold weld starts you can get lack of penetration and islands of slag in the weld. a sure sign of a inexperienced welder. obviously in countries that use primarily rutile based flux rods the welders get experienced and quite good at using it.
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thus one welder using 1/8 6013 on sheetmetal might have no problems welding extremely fast and another welder using 3/32 or smaller rod has weld problems and is welding much slower

[Flat_Bastard]

I think 6012 is rutile ( whut ever that means) and is used Straight Polarity. Always remember to verify tho

Rutile is a fancy way of saying the flux contains a large amount of titanium dioxide.

[Scott Young]

I used 6012 years ago for welding roofing sheet metal and sheet metal purlins. Most of the sheetmetal was 16ga - 12ga. it burned extremely well and made beautiful welds in lap, filet, and plug welds. we used it for quasi-structural use. There were larger structural members that were bolted but wall and roofing members were all welded with 6012.

[bent]

6013 is good rod for putting lettering/identifying marks on steel. Piles up nicely, leaves a good bead without penetration.

[kjemison1966]

Very cool looking Forney!! .. .Love the old stuff!! //.. What year is that machine?

Kell

[Lis2323]

Very cool looking Forney!! .. .Love the old stuff!! //.. What year is that machine?

Kell

Bought it new for the farm in 1967 off the Snap-on truck.