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    What would you do with this mess

    Bolt holes for frame rail in block are completely trashed. Thought I might cut this section away and drill and tap the holes but they are so bad. I wound up building a bracket to support the frame temporarily, but there is a 550 loader up front that they use to move hay with. When I showed up the tractor looked like it was going to split in two.




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    Could you drill and tap the raised triangular block in different spots and bolt on a steel adaptor plate with threaded holes to line up with the original holes to allow for the bolts to be fully threaded?

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    Sadly, I think it's toast.

    The old tractors were poorly designed when it came to provisions for mounting loaders. The new ones are a bit better, but I would not trust them to last for 20+ years.

    The only real solution is a separate sub frame to carry the loader between the front bolster, and the rear axle.

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    The loader is completely detachable very easily when the tractor is actually in operating condition. Do it all from the drivers seat. In this case, I had blown engine on the original Allis, and had to remove the loader with another tractor. Old Allis no longer had hydraulics due to blown engine.

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    The loader now resides on my ugly "new" Allis.

    I think the owner of the tractor you're working on needs to get used to moving his bales with a 3pt spike until he puts a good quality aftermarket FRAMED loader on the tractor. https://www.loaders.com/Front-End-Lo...ontent=Loaders Westendorf, and others, make excellent loaders that are mounted properly if you choose the framed style.

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    I looked all over for some pics of commercially available loaders of the type I made, and I couldn't come up with any. I know doggone well that when I built the thing, I looked at brochures from manufacturers, and took ideas from what was out there at the time. It could be that NOBODY made loaders with a completely independent sub frame then, or now. All's I know is that this ol' thing has held up for 20yrs to all sorts of abuse. I have many broken front wheels to attest to its durability exceeding the machine it's mounted on

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    Hell, y'all think my shop is primitive nowdays.................ya shoulda seen it back then A power pole, welder, torch, and a HF drill press that was mounted on a cart back in the day. That was it

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    It all sat under tarps back then. This was all before the internet thing I guess, and before digital cameras were the rage. All I have is some old 35mm pics of back in the day. I suppose this is why I can get grumpy, and short, with people when they go on for days mulling over some CAD drawing instead of gettin' down with a piece of notebook paper, and goin' after it. It's a bad habit I have, but I've made real progress in toning it down.

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    I suppose this is why I can get grumpy, and short, with people when they go on for days mulling over some CAD drawing instead of gettin' down with a piece of notebook paper, and goin' after it
    I feel your pain. Gone are the days of thinking thru a problem and making something to fix it. Young pups in the welding shop now couldn't build a button for a sh$thouse door without a bill of materials and a 3D dimensioned drawing.................Mike

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    Iím going to jump on the Sub frame to rear axel idea. I ran a small piece of plate to grab some new holes behind the split point so they could carry on. They usually use a 2440 with a three point spike but I have it in pieces at the moment. Clutch job and trans pump.




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    Bar napkins. Just think of all the cools stuff that was drawn out on bar napkins.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrmikey View Post
    I feel your pain. Gone are the days of thinking thru a problem and making something to fix it. Young pups in the welding shop now couldn't build a button for a sh$thouse door without a bill of materials and a 3D dimensioned drawing.................Mike

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    Re: What would you do with this mess

    It reminds me of a poor John Deere that was in a steel shop that had no cranes. The tractor had a forklift attachment on the front, and a huge block of concrete hanging off the three point hitch. Over a four year span it started with a single front axle fracturing four individual times. I had left the job and moved on but the drama continued. The final straw to break its back actually fractured the transmission case and of course they repaired on the cheap taking the guts out of the case and welding it back together. Finally someone decided that they had to invest in a proper forklift. Glad I was not working there any longer.
    These machines were never designed for heavy loads on the front. That is what the big tires and three point hitch at the back is for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joegreen02 View Post
    Iím going to jump on the Sub frame to rear axel idea. I ran a small piece of plate to grab some new holes behind the split point so they could carry on. They usually use a 2440 with a three point spike but I have it in pieces at the moment. Clutch job and trans pump.




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    I REALLY took a look at this pic, and I like the dolly for the front half of the tractor. I've been trying to come up with something that will work, and work safely. This looks like a real winner. I like how it's height adjustable.........important when lining it all back up to mate it. Very nice!

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    Re: What would you do with this mess

    Not sure if the handle is for a jack, but it's made me think.

    Mount a couple of side crank trailer jacks to a cradle, with wheels attached to the bottom of the jacks, and I got a winner. I can winch the front end back or forwards on the cradle.

    I don't have concrete floors here, it could be made to work on a track, or regular tires. I'd like to pull the motor on the dead Allis this Winter.

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    Re: What would you do with this mess

    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
    Not sure if the handle is for a jack, but it's made me think.

    Mount a couple of side crank trailer jacks to a cradle, with wheels attached to the bottom of the jacks, and I got a winner. I can winch the front end back or forwards on the cradle.

    I don't have concrete floors here, it could be made to work on a track, or regular tires. I'd like to pull the motor on the dead Allis this Winter.
    Yep I just use a regular floor jack on the gear end, I got the dolly wheel from an LWS called Murdochís. 3/4 all thread and a couple nuts welded to the uprights. Pretty simple.


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    Trailer jacks would have been pretty sweet! It was super simple spinning the plate to run the drive end up and down though. This is the 3rd rig like this I has built. First one was on a track system I made with some old gate entry parts but I didnít like that I couldnít maneuver the drive end around and put it where ever I wanted. Second one was just like this but the wheels were too small and so the slightest imperfection on the floor stopped it from rolling. This one was perfect. I like to be able to spin it around and get it close to where all my tools are.


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    Problem solved so far. Been like this for going on two weeks with 0 movement

    I just quickly tied a small 1/2Ē bracket into the bell housing bolts. They are much sturdier that the original anchor point.




    Thatís the whole mess. Same on both sides. I feel like itís a permanent fix.


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