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    Re: Hobart g213 welder

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    Got mine home today, 1945 model year..(from what I heard anyway..)
    Looks great! I like the Hobart gold face as opposed to the offputting (miller?) blue face on the later models. If I repaint mine... it will be all Hobart gold.

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    Looks great! I like the Hobart gold face as opposed to the offputting (miller?) blue face on the later models. If I repaint mine... it will be all Hobart gold.
    I took one of the gas tank brackets that wasn't weathered to my local hardware store and they computer matched it. Turned out close.
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    Re: Hobart g213 welder

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    I took one of the gas tank brackets that wasn't weathered to my local hardware store and they computer matched it. Turned out close.
    The paint turned out great. Is that a stainless muffler? I like the compressor add-on. Do you have a tank on the trailer?

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    Re: Hobart g213 welder

    Kinda looks like the old cat yellow... Now I really like it

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    The paint turned out great. Is that a stainless muffler? I like the compressor add-on. Do you have a tank on the trailer?
    The muffler is a Suzuki bike muffler. It came with it but unattached, had a stubby steel pack which was almost as loud as a straight exhaust. This is much quieter. I have an air tank almost new on the front of the trailer given me by a friend. I use an air governor like on big rig compressors, it keeps pressure at 125psi. The gas tank was homemade of stainless and someone was a mighty good tig welder w/ no leaks. Word of caution to all G-213 owners: don't drop it or bounce it around too much as there are ceramic insulators on the main resistor coil. I helped a guy via the web get his running and all but one insulator was broken and he used it to make a mold to replace them using castable ceramic.For that reason when I have to tow it on rough roads I go really slow so the trailer can't bounce.
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    I have some pics of the muffler I am going to use.. My Moto Guzzi Breve 1100 has the perfect setup..These will flow all you need, and be super quiet..has a 90 built in too. No cat either..

    I recognize that pump... I bought one 41 years ago.. 3hp though..
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    Re: Hobart g213 welder

    My very cheap rebuild kit arrived today. The float fit perfectly. The gasket appears to line up and the extra bolt hole can be trimmed easily. I'm not sure about doing the full rebuild... I might just throw it together and see how it goes with minimal effort.

    I did find a good rebuild guide, with a lot of color pictures, over on mytractorforum.com:
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    Re: Hobart g213 welder

    Stick it together,, My filter bowl gasket leaks some, and needs some work.. Gas tank needs cleaned out too.. but purrs like a kitten..

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    Re: Hobart g213 welder

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    Gas tank needs cleaned out too.. but purrs like a kitten..
    Very nice. I was really worried my tank would be a rusty mess but it's amazingly clean. I didn't get much farther than what you see in the photo. I had to setup a machine this morning and actually do some work. I still need to bead blast and plate a bunch of the linkage parts... yeah I know I had a week waiting for USPS... but I really only work under pressure.

    Is that a frequency meter? I've alway set mine with an old AC mechanical clock and my watch. This looks way simpler. A quick look on scamazon and they appear dirt cheap. I might put something like this on mine. Voltage and frequency for $15. Maybe I should get it making power before I bling it out.
    https://www.amazon.com/LM-YN-Voltmet...7QM/ref=sr_1_8

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    Re: Hobart g213 welder

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    Stick it together,, My filter bowl gasket leaks some, and needs some work.. Gas tank needs cleaned out too.. but purrs like a kitten..

    the engine sounds solid, alot like my old ford NAA doesn't care how old or rancid the fuel is ,,curious to hear how u like the arc starts and that
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    Yep, ebay freq meter. also my go-cart inductive tach, and Cylinder Head Temp.. The sensor will not fit around the huge Spark Plug. mag does throw quite an arc..
    My tank is not too bad, just going to let it sit with a bit of Vinegar,and it will be just fine in no time..

    Jim,
    the lugs have welding Voltage, but I have to fab up some leads to try out the arc/rpm welding switch..
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    I finally had some time to bead blast and replate all the carburetor parts. I didn't bother replating all the screws, I'm not really set up well for blasting and plating super small items. While trying to remove the governor linkage it broke. I tired tigging a nut to the fragment and back it out, only to snap it off again. So I made a new nut from brass, this should prevent rusting in the future. I then used the geometric die head to thread some 1/8th inch rod for #6-32 thread and bent a hook on one end. It took the zinc plate very well. I may have to bend an offset in it but I'll sort that when I put it on the machine. My Ebay throttle lever arrived. The original no longer locked in the full speed position and I didn't feel like trying to figure out why. Now all I need to do is source a new fuel line and see if it will fire off.

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    Re: Hobart g213 welder

    Good job,

    I have not got this far on how the high speed welding switch works? It has a auto rpm while welding switch, and I would think the throttle lock would be pushed it to have it to work correctly. Like I said, I have not welded with it yet, as the test drive was just to see if it would run correctly.. It's a lot different then the Miller AEAD 200 I had.
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    On mine there is no auto RPM on it. High RPM is for welding, low RPM is for 120v power. If I switch it to power at high RPM I can hear the engine pull down slightly which I'm guessing is not a good thing. I used my HF photo tach to set high RPM and my kilawatt to set frequency for low RPM. I used the small cable clamp to set high RPM and the throttle idle stop screw to set low RPM.
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    I installed the carburetor and had a fuel line made yesterday, 1/8 NPT on the tank end and 7/16 swivel on the pump end. This morning I figured I'd give it a whirl. Still low or no compression. I pumped some oil in the cylinders and gave it a quick compression test to confirm. Needle didn't move. I was pretty sure the exhaust valves were stuck open. I pulled the head, without breaking any bolts, and sure enough, rusted wide open. A bit more oil and a few minutes of whack-a-mole, I was able to get the valves moving. Cylinder one is working consistently but cylinder two is sticking now and again, especially when I stop cranking. I'll check it again in the morning after it has had a good soak. I suspect I may have a broken valve spring. Of course it could just be really sticky. I can wish, can't I?

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    Re: Hobart g213 welder

    Try the acetone/ATF mix... works wonders

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    Try the acetone/ATF mix... works wonders
    Yeah, I was just reading on one of the tractor forums that the exhaust valves tend to stick after long term storage. They prescribed penetrating oil and/or polishing the valve and reaming the guide. I sprayed them with PB-Blaster. I suspect they will be fine in the morning.

    I like ATF and acetone but my wife prefers the smell of Kroil.

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    The sticking valve cleared up this morning after a good soak overnight. I cleaned everything and reassembled the head. Compression is sorted. I verified the timing and attempted to start the engine with a little starting fluid and it jumped to life. Yeah. But my joy was short lived as I still wasn't getting fuel at the carb. I quickly pulled the fuel pump and clean it up. I now have fuel in the carburetor bowl but it is still acting like it's not getting fuel. It runs on starting fluid but doesn't appear to be sucking in fuel. I'll pull the carb in the morning and do a more thorough cleaning. I must still have something gummed up. I didn't do a full rebuild and maybe I should have.

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    Re: Hobart g213 welder

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    The sticking valve cleared up this morning after a good soak overnight. I cleaned everything and reassembled the head. Compression is sorted. I verified the timing and attempted to start the engine with a little starting fluid and it jumped to life. Yeah. But my joy was short lived as I still wasn't getting fuel at the carb. I quickly pulled the fuel pump and clean it up. I now have fuel in the carburetor bowl but it is still acting like it's not getting fuel. It runs on starting fluid but doesn't appear to be sucking in fuel. I'll pull the carb in the morning and do a more thorough cleaning. I must still have something gummed up. I didn't do a full rebuild and maybe I should have.
    That's where I'll usually get a big can of berrymans and put the little nozzle tube on it... then force feed any openings/jets/passages that are drilled to intersect the little round punch plates - the berrymans will eat just about anything

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    Yes or a ultra sonic cleaner for hard to get places.

    I am stuck on the tank clean now. My fuel line was shot, but was able to salvage the fittings . couple of pinch style clamps, and good hose will solve that issue.. I really don't know if my fuel pump works for sure.. has a wobble pump arm, and was pushing out the fuel filter when pumped.. I had a gravity feed going on start up. Going out the wrong way..Fuel bowl gasket is shot.. If i can get fuel, I know the carb is decent enough to run.. The mag spark does jump about a mile and a half..

    Seems like everybody is making a bit of progress, so I think when done, pretty decent old girls
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    I've got mine running. I picked up a fresh can of Berryman's Chem-Dip and gave the carb a good soak. While it was soaking I studied the carb diagram and realized I hadn't cleaned the main jet. Doh! It was so blocked I hadn't seen it on my first cleaning. I removed it and cleaned it real good. I then flushed everything with Berryman's B-12. After re-assembling it fired right off. I still need to set the timing with the light. I'm not sure the charging system is making power, I'm reading the same 12.5V running as I do not running. I guess I'll need to sort the charging system. I'm also not seeing AC power from the generator. I plugged in a shop light in to the 120V... and nothing. I'm only seeing about 5V AC with the meter. I'm not getting a reading on the DC welding lugs. They are fairly corroded. Looking at the manual I suspect I need to check the brushes. It's kinda nasty under the hood, it may take some time to sort the generator. I guess this will give me some time to find the correct paint color.


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    Re: Hobart g213 welder

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    I am stuck on the tank clean now.
    My tank was fairly clean, so I dumped in the whole 5 gallons, now my beautiful fresh, crystal clear, gas looks old. Note to self, I should have flushed my tank. I also have to drain my tank to access the electrical bits. My optimism slays me. Why I filled the tank is beyond me.

    When my fuel pump was plugged it would build back pressure. I ended up taking it apart and cleaning the rubber valves. After cleaning I could hear it suck and pump when moving the arm. I likely will need a rebuild kit in the future but it's working fine for now.

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    I might be into the fuel pump on mine then? Just need to get clean gas, and tank before I move on to it.. I am thinking of putting a real fuel filter on the unit too..I am generally working from the tank forward. just had experience from the Guzzi I got out of Seattle.. No rust with the plastic tank, but the tank did swell from the Ethanol in the fuel..(dried out it goes back to normal size) The fuel filter is half metal, and the other half plastic. and the quick disconnect plastic fitting from the in tank fuel pump snapped off as per usual Guzzi.. That is all fixed, and was able to balance out the throttle bodies, and re-sync the TPS.. with some downloadable free software .The Guzzi fuel injection is quite simple, but if you turn one screw you should not,you are totally screwed so to speak.. Flow benched from the factory,and that sacred screw has bitten a few people.. No such screws on the Hobart, and everything can be done over.. BTW the Guzzi is about as close to the old school Wisconsin as a newer motorcycle can be.. Let just say, it's tech is closer to it then most motorcycles are..Just missing the crank start..
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    Re: Hobart g213 welder

    No crank start!!!!!!! well, I guess that might keep guys from getting too cranky with it no matter how finicky it was

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    No crank start!!!!!!! well, I guess that might keep guys from getting too cranky with it no matter how finicky it was
    You get fuel to the Wisconsin,and the crank start is pretty easy..These things are all about running slow,and making power there..
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