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    Shootr donít be in a hurry to sell your items. Do a little research.

    Your target market may not be domestic. (Hint try Germany)

    I think you should and will be properly rewarded for your work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lis2323 View Post
    Shootr don’t be in a hurry to sell your items. Do a little research.

    Your target market may not be domestic. (Hint try Germany)

    I think you should and will be properly rewarded for your work.


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    I don't know about international, but it'll take a few years before I even consider selling it for less the $5K (US).

    It's going to be magnificent. In trying to figure out the Eagle/Hawk, I stacked some tank options last night to see if an idea I had would work. It will!

    It'll top out just over 8ft tall and the wingspan will be in the 5ft-6ft range. Won't be able to make progress until September. Grandkids (and parents) arrive today - haven't seen them in over 3 years. Then a long weekend at the beach for the missus' bday at the end of the month. So the delay is for very very good reasons.
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    Big market for indigenous art in Germany.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootr View Post
    I don't know about international, but it'll take a few years before I even consider selling it for less the $5K (US).

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    Its great that you are able to take an enjoyable break from your creation.

    IMO someone like myself could buy the finished piece for $5k usd and most likely with the right connections double their money.

    However as the "Shootr the original artist"
    I think you could sell that for at least 10 times that amount (less an art brokers commission )

    JMHO of course but surprisingly I have been known to be right on occasion.


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    So much to learn...art brokers, accurate pricing...I'll get there someday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootr View Post
    I don't know about international, but it'll take a few years before I even consider selling it for less the $5K (US).

    It's going to be magnificent. In trying to figure out the Eagle/Hawk, I stacked some tank options last night to see if an idea I had would work. It will!

    It'll top out just over 8ft tall and the wingspan will be in the 5ft-6ft range. Won't be able to make progress until September. Grandkids (and parents) arrive today - haven't seen them in over 3 years. Then a long weekend at the beach for the missus' bday at the end of the month. So the delay is for very very good reasons.
    I think it's way past $5K where it is now,

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    Shootr,
    This popped up on one of my Facebook groups.
    It looks like they used screws or all thread for some texture. I thought this might give you some ideas.

    On a different note, start thinking of how to weight it or secure it to the ground. I have made the mistake of not thinking that part through during the build and then had to make adjustments after the fact. Some of those adjustments were obvious and not as cohesive to the final look.





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    Quote Originally Posted by psacustomcreations View Post
    Shootr,
    This popped up on one of my Facebook groups.
    It looks like they used screws or all thread for some texture. I thought this might give you some ideas.

    On a different note, start thinking of how to weight it or secure it to the ground. I have made the mistake of not thinking that part through during the build and then had to make adjustments after the fact. Some of those adjustments were obvious and not as cohesive to the final look.





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    That's pretty cool!

    For securing it, I have a 20" dia x 5/8" steel plate to weld it to. That will be set on on a half-buried and leveled platform of those concrete retaining wall blocks:

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    The bottom one (Boatman) will be filled with sand (150lbs +/-). I'll be putting in a knock-out plug at the bottom so it can be emptied for travel. That will be approx. 250lbs of mass from the base to 24" up.

    I'll be assembling it (welding the figures together) at the final location, so as I go up I can get a feel if the stability is adequate. The wings of the eagle will be the largest "sails", but they will be out of sheets of 24ish ga steel with a bazillion little holes in it. Should lower the pressure a little, as well as flex some.

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    Re: Shootr's New Adventure - Totem Pole Build

    Looks great, and I can't wait to see it all done.

    The base might not be big enough. You really have to tamp the soil well, especially when you might be digging right on top of tarantula burrows or whatever evil places those things live in. If the ground gives even a little bit, that shifts the center of gravity a little bit. Then you get a nice gust of that scorching-hot desert air on the top portion where leverage is working against you.....

    Also, since you might have to ship it somewhere when the customer finally shows up.... what about pinning the top third in place rather than trying to weld it all together? That way you could pack it slightly smaller and it'd be easier to erect. The weight of the top third would be more than enough to keep it in place with a couple of cotter pins or even small bolts.
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    Re: Shootr's New Adventure - Totem Pole Build

    I would like to add to Vaughn's good suggestions.

    Make the sculpture transit friendly for the art dealer or new owner.

    Integrate forklift pockets into whatever base you build. Provide camouflaging of the slots if necessary.

    This small feature alone may be the "tipping point" (lol) for an interested buyer considering the logistics of moving it.

    This would also reflect in your confidence of securing a discerning buyer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootr View Post
    So much to learn...art brokers, accurate pricing...I'll get there someday.

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    That's definitely awesome Shootr !
    Check out Kevin Caron work. He's a member here and posts on Facebook. He's an established artist and I can't believe what he prices his work at.
    I will say many metal pieces are unique but would never imagine trying to sell for what he does.
    I think those that do metal art appreciate others work and Craftsmanship.
    I have done some, what I would call ,big dollar pieces. I set my price and stuck to it. It may take awhile to sell but I wasn't going to give it away.
    I've found doing artshows which is nowhere as many as PSAcustomcreations, that when a buyer sees what they want, price doesn't matter.
    It's those soso ones that try to negotiate the price.
    Again, don't be in a hurry to sell. That's most definitely a one of a kind piece.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnT View Post
    Looks great, and I can't wait to see it all done.

    The base might not be big enough. You really have to tamp the soil well, especially when you might be digging right on top of tarantula burrows or whatever evil places those things live in. If the ground gives even a little bit, that shifts the center of gravity a little bit. Then you get a nice gust of that scorching-hot desert air on the top portion where leverage is working against you.....

    Also, since you might have to ship it somewhere when the customer finally shows up.... what about pinning the top third in place rather than trying to weld it all together? That way you could pack it slightly smaller and it'd be easier to erect. The weight of the top third would be more than enough to keep it in place with a couple of cotter pins or even small bolts.
    Well, it is just a plan and you know what happens to the best laid ones...

    I'll look into if it will bolt together as solidly as I'd like it to. I figured I would just cut the welds apart when it sells if it isn't local - then hire a mobile welder in the buyers area to re-assemble it. For whatever reason, I have "permanency" stuck in my head - I feel like it isn't finished if it isn't solidly one piece.

    Not to worry about the soil here - it compacts extremely well. The area where it's going has been undisturbed and covered with landscape rock for 30+ years. The poor bastards that planted my tree last year had a hell of a battle digging the hole for a 36" box (they specifically said "no pre-wetting" so...) I still have my 40lb tamper from the backyard remodel just in case - it'll be pretty stable. No nests, I get ants twice a year in the backyard and that's it. Profuse application of pesticides pushes all them to the neighbors.

    Other contingency plans include adding outriggers to the plate to widen the footprint, stake it to the ground with spikes - through holes drilled in the plate, etc. I don't see how I could incorporate fork pockets without really altering the overall look. Instead, they can rig a lift strap and suspend it from the forks. It'll be plenty sturdy enough to withstand that.

    Thank you all for the kind words and for looking out for me - the fewer oversights I have, the better!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BD1 View Post
    That's definitely awesome Shootr !
    Check out Kevin Caron work. He's a member here and posts on Facebook. He's an established artist and I can't believe what he prices his work at.



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    Go figure, his studio is about 10 miles from my house! I know what videos I'll be streaming this weekend. He looks so damn familiar - I swear I've seen him somewhere. But his work - holy cow it's beautiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootr View Post
    Go figure, his studio is about 10 miles from my house! I know what videos I'll be streaming this weekend. He looks so damn familiar - I swear I've seen him somewhere. But his work - holy cow it's beautiful.
    That's crazy !! Some of his kinetic pieces are
    Eye catching for sure.
    I can't believe what he sell those 300 size cylinder windchimes for.
    He does have lots of videos for sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootr View Post
    Go figure, his studio is about 10 miles from my house! I know what videos I'll be streaming this weekend. He looks so damn familiar - I swear I've seen him somewhere. But his work - holy cow it's beautiful.
    I visited Kevin at his shop and house several years ago when I was out there for a friend's wedding.
    He is a very personable guy and his wife is very nice as well. His house is his studio and he frequently has open houses to show off his new creations. Get on his website and sign up for notices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootr View Post
    Well, it is just a plan and you know what happens to the best laid ones...

    I'll look into if it will bolt together as solidly as I'd like it to. I figured I would just cut the welds apart when it sells if it isn't local - then hire a mobile welder in the buyers area to re-assemble it.
    Nope. At no time should you ever allow a rent-a-welder touch your art. Even if it was just structural stuff, you'd still be taking a huge risk hiring some yokel off the internet. What are you going to do if they mangle your work with some pigeon poo welds? What if they get the top portion off alignment by a hair? What if they drop it and bend the wings? If you aren't there to do the work, you have to make the work as simple as possible, with tab-n-slot designs that are impossible to not align correctly. Plus, if it takes them ages to actually get around to your job, it just makes you look bad in the customer's eyes. It might be honest delays, but those delays all reflect on you.

    For whatever reason, I have "permanency" stuck in my head - I feel like it isn't finished if it isn't solidly one piece.
    No problem with that idea, especially if you feel good about selling it to someone within easy driving distance so you can haul it yourself. Lock-Tite is pretty permanent, especially when you add in some tabs that interlock so everything is really solidly joined exactly how you want it lined up.

    Not to worry about the soil here - it compacts extremely well. The area where it's going has been undisturbed and covered with landscape rock for 30+ years. The poor bastards that planted my tree last year had a hell of a battle digging the hole for a 36" box (they specifically said "no pre-wetting" so...) I still have my 40lb tamper from the backyard remodel just in case - it'll be pretty stable. No nests, I get ants twice a year in the backyard and that's it. Profuse application of pesticides pushes all them to the neighbors.
    Sounds nice, but I'm not sure I'd trust tarantulas and rattlesnakes to not do something nefarious. Seems that nefarious things is exactly why they were created in the first place.

    I don't see how I could incorporate fork pockets without really altering the overall look. Instead, they can rig a lift strap and suspend it from the forks. It'll be plenty sturdy enough to withstand that.
    I wouldn't do fork pockets either. Sounds nice until you realize that's just "pre-fab housing" for tarantulas and rattlesnakes.

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    Re: Shootr's New Adventure - Totem Pole Build

    Your selling price is obviously going to be in the $5K and up range which puts it out of the realm of joe average home owner looking for cool yard art.


    As such you should not even consider shipping or moving unless it is going to a gallery on commission. The piece should be FOB your studio (shop).

    The buyer will be responsible for transport. You should be responsible for crating and have hidden integrated lift points or the aforementioned fork pockets which donít necessarily need to be hovels for critters. Just two strategically placed slots where forks can be inserted safely to lift the structure easily without damage.

    If the buyer requests or requires installation then that is a whole price quotation on its own depending if permits etc are required.

    Think BIG , Shootr. This is your time to shine. Embrace the moment and demand the respect and compensation you deserve.


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    This conversation is great - again, I really appreciate all the ideas, thoughts, etc. Even though I'm not working on it - I get the giggles and excited about how happy I am with it so far. Watched some of Kevin's marketing and art business musings just now. That, combined with tonight's chat - I'm going to try and find a show around here to take a shot at a participating. And I signed up for his newsletter!

    One good thing is at work we have a couple of great shipping company's. Eventually I'll get around to having a conversation with them as far as crating and shipping options.

    The locking system for the pole will indeed be needed so expect lots of pictures and questions as to ways to join these together aesthetically and securely. At least I have a few weeks to think about it.

    May have to talk you into a road trip this winter so you can see we're not really inundated with critters!

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    And just like that, I will now be ignoring this thread.

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    In regards to shipping an item. About two months ago I shipped one of my bells from Virginia to Escondido, CA. The crate was 7 feet long by 2 feet wide and 3 feet tall.
    I used one of the online LTL Freight brokers and it cost $536.

    The most painful part of that was buying sheets of plywood for $75 each. I also used 2x4 and 2x2 as an interior frame for the box. At todays prices for wood, that added up quick. It was a lot more than I expected when I first priced in the shipping. I should have increased the bell price another couple of hundred dollars.

    As far as the wings go, you can use rivnuts to put the threaded inserts in the tank. They are pretty unobtrusive and are secure. I use them for several of my pieces.
    That allows you to remove the wings for shipping and is an easy fix or installation by the new owner.

    Shootr, you may also be interested to know that when I was out there, I found out the Scottsdale area has I think the second or third best art market n America. When I walked around the art district of Scottsdale, I visited several galleries and was very impressed. There is one location that is more of an outdoor gallery that has very nice and large work.






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    That's why it is semi-frustrating to not sell things. I know I have a lot of impediments with lack of exposure and marketing - but dang, you'd think a decorator or acquaintance to some of the elite in that area would stumble across one of my listing.

    If I ever get a dozen or more pieces that aren't selling - I'm heading to an empty crossroads out there and doing a pop-up.

    You mentioned rivnuts before and made note of them. I was thinking maybe a tab-into-a-slot at the front, and a tab bolted to a rivnut(s) in the back to secure the pieces together.

    In a prior life, my ex bought an antique 6' x 9' painting for a blank wall in the house. Looked great but had to go when we moved. Talked to a couple Scottsdale dealers and showed them pics. I learned quickly the value was in the ornate frame, not the canvas.

    I love our galleries if the Southwest. My cousin helps coordinate the yearly Celebration of Fine Art event each January. One of these days I'll get around to buying her lunch and pick her brain for ideas locally to market, maybe a contact or two.
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    Hmmm.... so that's why Barrett Jackson does their auctions there....
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    You could build a base with a vertical 2-1/2 inch pipe to extend though all the pieces to the top one. Install 3" pipe sleeves top & bottom of each part and slide them over the pipe. Shouldn't be able to fall unless picked up by a tornado. Key them if necessary to make them face the way you want with pins or bolts or set screws. That way the pieces could be packaged individually for shipping and relatively easily assembled on site.
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    Re: Shootr's New Adventure - Totem Pole Build

    Shootr, I've done a few larger pieces and they didn't sell as quickly as I figured.
    Art is in the eyes of the beholder as they say.
    I do a few art / craftshows a year and bring a binder with photos of my work. This has commissioned pieces I have done and my Equine projects. This also has my larger pieces which would be a real pain to bring and display. I leave this open to those pictures and it does gain attention. There is always someone paging through it which seems to draw in customers.
    I have delivered my larger pieces which is definitely customer friendly. Some are afraid to handle OR have no idea on transporting or unloading.


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    Re: Shootr's New Adventure - Totem Pole Build

    Fab 3 sockets for each splice in such a way that you have to insert & drive a wedge in to lock them together, then a bolt through the wedge to permanently lock it in place. Or weld a nut in the end of the wedge socket, hole through the wedge long ways & use a long bolt to suck the wedge in tight.
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