Need to decide between Lincoln 210 Mp and Millermatic 215

[koenbro]

Have you ever made a dumb mistake like selling a welder that you regretted almost immediately? Yup that's me after selling my Lincoln 210. Admittedly I did not use it much after getting into TIG, but now I am interested in buying a, yes, you guessed it, a ~200 amp MIG welder.

Not interested in the scratch TIG functionality, not interested in no-name brands, no matter how cheap, etc. but I want:
* dual voltage (120/240)
* inverter (=light, about 40 or so pounds)
* quality

There used to be an Esab 211 but cannot find it anymore. So ultimately I narrowed down to Miller 215 MP vs Lincoln 210 MP. I am not a brand fanatic so no hard feelz either way.

Any practical advice or point I am missing? Thank you in advance.

[Sparkie1957]

I personally like the color display on the 210 Lincoln. I’ve had one since they first came out and had no issues I’m sure the Miller is ok, I like red paint better.


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[Oscar]

If you're open to using a step-up transformer for about $100, you don't have to limit yourself to machines that are DV by default, which will open up other options. An HTP MTS 210 would complement your 221 nicely. $1600 before the pricing goes up on July 15th. Just saying.

[danielplace]

So you do want/need the tig functionality too ? You said no scratch start but does that mean no tig really needed at all ? Lots more machines to look at if you are only needing a Mig.

[G-ManBart]

If you already own a nice TIG, and aren't interested in the scratch-start TIG function, why spend more money on multiprocess machines?

[koenbro]

So you do want/need the tig functionality too ? You said no scratch start but does that mean no tig really needed at all ? Lots more machines to look at if you are only needing a Mig.

No need for TIG at all. I already have an HTP Invertig which is a very capable machine.


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[koenbro]

If you already own a nice TIG, and aren't interested in the scratch-start TIG function, why spend more money on multiprocess machines?

Exactly. My problem is none of the majors offer a 200-210 amps dual voltage inverter MIG-only machine, or I haven’t found any. Frankly i think adding on scratch TIG is marketing BS.


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[koenbro]

If you're open to using a step-up transformer for about $100, you don't have to limit yourself to machines that are DV by default, which will open up other options. An HTP MTS 210 would complement your 221 nicely. $1600 before the pricing goes up on July 15th. Just saying.

It’s out of stock sadly


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[smithdoor]

The larger is better.
It give power for later work.
Note 240volt is best way to go. The 120 volt is just flipping the breaker.

Dave

Have you ever made a dumb mistake like selling a welder that you regretted almost immediately? Yup that's me after selling my Lincoln 210. Admittedly I did not use it much after getting into TIG, but now I am interested in buying a, yes, you guessed it, a ~200 amp MIG welder.

Not interested in the scratch TIG functionality, not interested in no-name brands, no matter how cheap, etc. but I want:
* dual voltage (120/240)
* inverter (=light, about 40 or so pounds)
* quality

There used to be an Esab 211 but cannot find it anymore. So ultimately I narrowed down to Miller 215 MP vs Lincoln 210 MP. I am not a brand fanatic so no hard feelz either way.

Any practical advice or point I am missing? Thank you in advance.

[cornchip]

have you looked at the millermatic211 ? i picked one up couple months ago and like it for the type of stuff i do around the house. although a havent used it a hek of alot yet since i been stick welding lately. the only thing is it doesnt have digital readout but you didnt mention if thats a necessity

[M J D]

A Miller 211 is pretty much the mig only version of the 215.

[cornchip]

A Miller 211 is pretty much the mig only version of the 215.

well it does mig, flux core and dual shield. but ya its not a multi process machine. he said he already had a tig welder. i wasnt sure if he needed something that can stick weld also

[koenbro]

If you're open to using a step-up transformer for about $100, you don't have to limit yourself to machines that are DV by default, which will open up other options. An HTP MTS 210 would complement your 221 nicely. $1600 before the pricing goes up on July 15th. Just saying.

@Oscar, what are your thoughts on the HTP MIG 200i? Do the HTP MIG welders like this one use industry standard MIG gun connections or some rare proprietary ones?


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[G-ManBart]

Exactly. My problem is none of the majors offer a 200-210 amps dual voltage inverter MIG-only machine, or I haven’t found any. Frankly i think adding on scratch TIG is marketing BS.

The current Millermatic 211 is an inverter, dual-voltage and has a max output of 230A....seems like it would be a perfect fit and everything I've seen written about them seems positive. I had the prior 211 for a short time and thought it was very nice, but many people say the new version is even better.

[Oscar]

It’s out of stock sadly


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Dang that sucks. I saw the PP 220MTS was out of stock but didn't know about the 210MTS.

@Oscar, what are your thoughts on the HTP MIG 200i? Do the HTP MIG welders like this one use industry standard MIG gun connections or some rare proprietary ones?


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Yes as far as I can tell it uses a standard Euro Connector, just like the other MIGs. That one comes with the small 180A gun, but (unless you need it's compact size as a requirement, I would opt to upgrade for the 24-series, which is a 240A gun and only slightly larger. Other than that I don't have any experience with that one as I don't own one. Looking at the specs, it's more of a "180A" MIG IMO, since the duty cycle is 20% there. At 200A I can imagine it's probably only 10% or so. But for what it costs I don't think that's too shabby; you can run big 12" spools if you want to, and 180-200A will be able to weld ¼" decently.

[Louie1961]

Between the two I would pick the Lincoln. It has more features/settings you can use and tweak, such as inductance, burn back, etc. I was quite surprised to see that these either don't exist on the Miller or are not adjustable.

[koenbro]

So i went and got a Lincoln 210. My LWS did not have any in stock but Praxair did, so that’s where I bought it. I think I won’t regret it, having used it in the past. Thank you all for your input.


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[Welder Dave]

I think you meant to say Miller Multimatic 215 not Millermatic 215. I think you made a good choice with the Lincoln. Esab has the Rebel series that also get good reviews. When Miller came out with the Multimatic 200 I thought they were over priced for what they were. They got decent reviews but just seemed too high a price and the 215's were more expensive. The Esab and Lincoln 215 machines came out with more features and a lower price to compete with the Miller. I suspect that's why Miller added the 215.

[N2 Welding]

I think you meant to say Miller Multimatic 215 not Millermatic 215. I think you made a good choice with the Lincoln. Esab has the Rebel series that also get good reviews. When Miller came out with the Multimatic 200 I thought they were over priced for what they were. They got decent reviews but just seemed too high a price and the 215's were more expensive. The Esab and Lincoln 215 machines came out with more features and a lower price to compete with the Miller. I suspect that's why Miller added the 215.

I believe the Miller multimatic 215 is capable of AC tig and was developed to compete with the Rebel 205 AC/DC as well as the everlasting ac/dc multi process units.

[vwguy3]

The Multimatic 215 is DC.
The Multimatic 220 AC/DC is AC and DC.

[scsmith42]

So i went and got a Lincoln 210. My LWS did not have any in stock but Praxair did, so that’s where I bought it. I think I won’t regret it, having used it in the past. Thank you all for your input.


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I don't think that you will regret this purchase. I really like my 210MP a lot.

[N2 Welding]

The Multimatic 215 is DC.
The Multimatic 220 AC/DC is AC and DC.

oops my bad.

[koenbro]

Ok here it is, took its place next to its siblings.


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[albrightree]

Nice set up ! I like that everything is on one cart, great for saving space (because there's never enough). Thanks for sharing. I dont think there was any wrong decision, I have welders of many different manufacturers, but I have been really happy with my 210 mp that I've had for six years. I have mig welded aluminum , stainless, mild steel solid wires, gasless fluxcore, gas shielded flux core, mig brazed, tig brazed, tig welded stainless, mild steel, 7018,7014,6011,6013,308,309 welding rods. It runs mig off 120v really well, stick not so much maybe 75 amps,depending on wiring. I have no regrets about buying the lincoln 210 mp, it has, and still does everything well except for 6010 which if you turn up the arc force and hot start, you can kind of run it , but it sticks alot. I hope yours works as well as mine.


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