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    I forget about stuff. It's getting worse as I get older. Drives K'kins up the wall(I mean it)

    I hadn't changed the filters on the Oliver for a long time. Just never got around to it, and honestly it slipped off my radar.

    Thing started to run like crap last week. I'm thinking.........GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now the stinkin' Oliver is gonna go down

    Classic signs. Slow throttle response. Loping idle. No top end.

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    Hadn't drained it in a while, and it ran water for about 45 seconds. Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Size:  250.7 KB The final filter had rust in the bottom cap. I caught it just in time I'm guessing. I gotta start making a list of things to do, and put it on the refrigerator.

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    Old gal runs like a top. Was a real pleasure moving hay today

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    BTW..............the loose lockwasher on the strut is due to the backside of the rod hammering on the axle tube. This is because the pin in the front axle pivot is about worn out. Another reason I'm looking forward to getting that damn crane up, and running. This is a complete overhaul thing. Ton of machining once it's off the tractor.

    The strut can be repaired with a washer, but the axle pivot is gonna involve some creative bushing, or sleeving. It has to be done, or one day that damn axle is gonna crack the front casting on the "bathtub", and fold over like a rotten stick.

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    As bad as the water is the rust is probably worse. A simple marking the date and or hours with a marker does wonders to keep track of things on seldom used equipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M J D View Post
    As bad as the water is the rust is probably worse. A simple marking the date and or hours with a marker does wonders to keep track of things on seldom used equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12V71 View Post
    Bright orange paint pen is my favorite.
    Just not on Baldwin filters( bright red).

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    I see this a lot on older generators with some that haven't been run in decades. Usually find seized plungers in injector pumps and needles in injectors. Just did a Roosa Master (Stanadyne) that the high pressure plungers were stuck in the rotor. No rust, just gummed up but due to the tight tolerances required a bit of persuasion to pop them out. A little WD-40 and they cleaned right up and moved freely as they should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duaneb55 View Post
    I see this a lot on older generators with some that haven't been run in decades. Usually find seized plungers in injector pumps and needles in injectors. Just did a Roosa Master (Stanadyne) that the high pressure plungers were stuck in the rotor. No rust, just gummed up but due to the tight tolerances required a bit of persuasion to pop them out. A little WD-40 and they cleaned right up and moved freely as they should.
    Seen that in a lot of 2 stroke Detroits and Cat engines with the older style pumps. Seems like ULSD fuel promotes the problem. Had a 3208 Cat on a drill rig carrier stick the racks after only sitting for 6 months.

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    Ditto on the ULSD. Seen the stuck rack on a Deutz pump and have a Lombardini in the yard now that had a stuck plunger in one of its injector pumps. WD-40 works well and have seen lacquer thinner do the trick too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duaneb55 View Post
    I see this a lot on older generators with some that haven't been run in decades. Usually find seized plungers in injector pumps and needles in injectors. Just did a Roosa Master (Stanadyne) that the high pressure plungers were stuck in the rotor. No rust, just gummed up but due to the tight tolerances required a bit of persuasion to pop them out. A little WD-40 and they cleaned right up and moved freely as they should.
    Hell Duane, this is a daily driver. It might sit for about 2 weeks.

    It has a CAV pump on it. First sign of problems was last winter during the Big Freeze. Fired it up to feed the girls, and the diaphragm on the front of the pump started to weep fuel through the pinhole. Ran diesel all down the frame of the tractor, but ran fine.

    Then the drizzle quit, and the problems started. Runs rough when started, and runs rough when it idles after a hard workout. Rough on the high end of the powerband until the new filters...............now it runs fine at power after the new filters, but still has a bit of edge on the idle. Not sure it's the pump though. This motor is closing in on 8000hrs. Might be internals..........dunno.

    Damn thing is just about as old as I am. Rolled off the assembly line in 1964. I'm thinking we're talkin' a good chunk of my retirement is gonna go for fixing these tractors. Might be time to call it quits, and just clip coupons till they shovel dirt in my face.

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    Our fuel dealer adds lubricity additives to the diesel to compensate for the dry diesel. It's a pretty well known fact around here, that the older systems puke on the new dry diesel.

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    I've been scratching dates on filters for years with a nail. On the glass filters I give them a squirt of John Deere green ( you know, so they'll last longer...) and then scratch in the date. Now that I have the office in my heated shop I keep a binder in the desk with a list of all my vehicles/machines and the date/hrs or mileage when I do maintenance on them. Comes in very handy when I can't remember which year I rebuilt an engine. I had a valve in the 5020 pump stick on me a few years ago so now I add a couple litres of outboard motor oil when they deliver the "dry fuel".... extra conditioner in the winter. That won't help with water though, you need to start draining the bottoms of those tanks or they'll rust out on you.
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    I mark when I changed oil air and fuel filters on the dash of my weld rig for both the welder and the truck, the hours on the welder, the mileage on the truck and the dates and when its due again so I see it evry day... maybe do somethin like that Sam. As for forgettin about stuff, Im thinkin its part of this thing called aging, I got the same troubles sometimes. Just try to stay focused and such. Best wishes to you, I know it aint easy, goin through it all myself

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    Some people add a little ATF to the fuel to make the ULSD more palatable for the old stuff. For the car and P/U I use a label maker and put the next due mileage in the inside top left corner of the windshield.
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    Our fuel dealer adds lubricity additives to the diesel to compensate for the dry diesel.
    All I have for diesel is a small 3 cyl Iseki I use for moving crap around the yard and plowing in the winter. I always add a dose of Hawes fuel treatment to my fuel can when I get fuel.
    Samm...you may want to give ur rig a dose of algicide as well, you don't want to get a bad case of diesel bugs, they are a supreme PIA to get rid of............Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
    Our fuel dealer adds lubricity additives to the diesel to compensate for the dry diesel. It's a pretty well known fact around here, that the older systems puke on the new dry diesel.
    Hell, the new diesels can puke on the ULSD fuel, I use additives in every tank. Hopefully they're getting away from the CP4 series Bosch injection pumps on common rail engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmikey View Post
    Samm...you may want to give ur rig a dose of algicide as well, you don't want to get a bad case of diesel bugs, they are a supreme PIA to get rid of............Mike
    If that water starts to freeze he'll get ice worms in there too...
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    I want to judge you sam, but I can't... we did the big 1000hr service on our telehandler a few weeks back. It was then that I realised we'd missed the 500hr engine oil service interval last year. Stupid. Hopefully haven't knocked too many hours off its lifespan.
    Our tractors only clock a few hundred hours a year between them and we go 2 years between services, but the telehandler gets used almost every single day...

    1000hr service on the telehandler is the following:
    engine oil and filter
    air filters x 2
    fuel pre-filter, water seperator and common-rail filter
    intermediate gearbox oil and strainer
    powershift transmisson oil and strainer
    hydraulic oil, filter and strainer
    front and rear axle oil
    hub reduction gear oil x 4

    Took 2 days to complete and cost around 700 for parts

    I change fuel filters on our tractors religiously for one reason: Bio-diesel 5%. If tractors aren't used reasonably regularly in the UK, then you can get bio growth in the tanks and filters, especially the water seperator. Once it starts, it grows exponentially. So it's best just to suck it up and do them before you get problems.
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    I keep the trailer tilted so that any condensation runs to the back of the tank, away from the pump. Then I siphon the water out every once in a while. I'm thinking, because I forgot to siphon the thing for a long time.............water collected, and rusted the bottom of the tank. This is probably the source of the rust.

    The tank is around 25yrs old. I can remember smashing my toe when one of the sheets fell off the thing when I was building it. It's made out of 10ga

    I do know that you can't pump fuel out of it till it's been sitting for a few days after hauling the fuel in. The particulates in the bottom get stirred up, and also clog the filter. It's been that way for years(probably since it was around a year old). But that's not really unusual around here, what with the high humidity. Lot of condensation.

    So, if it's just rust, and the water never got to the injector pump...............I probably dodged a bullet. The filters on the tractor blocked the rust until they clogged, and the thing started to get fuel starved.

    I'll siphon the transfer tank today to see what comes out of it. (I never thought to put a drain in it when I made it)

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    If you siphon that tank dry, it might be a good time to put in a drain, huh? Since you already have so much spare time on your hands.....

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    lol.... we could use another thread on exploding fuel tanks...with 10 guage, maybe thread a fitting in with JB Weld on it....
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    I give sammm credit for not wanting to cut a hole or strike an arc on a fuel tank....!!! Sammm, DON'T DO IT!!

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    I like whtbaron's idea. Short 1/4" nipple with a cap on it. Wash tank threads off with ether , a little JB Weld on the nipple threads and screw it in. Just be careful when moving the tank around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmikey View Post
    All I have for diesel is a small 3 cyl Iseki I use for moving crap around the yard and plowing in the winter. I always add a dose of Hawes fuel treatment to my fuel can when I get fuel.
    Samm...you may want to give ur rig a dose of algicide as well, you don't want to get a bad case of diesel bugs, they are a supreme PIA to get rid of............Mike
    I had the fuel delivery guy dump a jug in every time he did a fill.

    That way it was always done and I never had to think about it.





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    This is totally absolutely insanely off topic.

    The truck pic was probably taken around sometime in 2008-2009. The truck sits higher in the back than it does in the front.........as it should.

    I can look at a pic of the same truck today, and the damn thing is sitting level without any kind of real load on it. The springs are getting saggy

    I can't say I'm all that surprised. The Boyz are down around my knees, and my azz is down around my ankles. I'm a' thinkin' we get old.......just like our trucks Generally, not a great situation

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    lol... we were checking out the sagging springs and broken shackles on my son's 57 International. You've got a way to go yet...
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