So you want hidden mounting hardware for a wall mounted rail, like ADA grab rails? Try wagner. I have another catalog, but cannot recall the company. It had nitbing but tubular rail components. I get it tomorrow when I get to my shop.

I have made them on many occasions. Not difficult.

Will there be adequate support? If you have mounting support the you can do everything internally/hidden. I would do a short rail like this or a rail that had intermediate supports going to the ground or wall.

 

Install a tube with a flat plate on the end to the wall. Slip the handrail over the tube. Need some sort of escutcheon to cover the hardware and a small bolt at 6oclock to hold them together.

 

Is it going to be stainless pipe? The reason you do not see hidden rail mounts so much is it is a pain in the butt to mount them behind the rail and you still see them anyway. When I do custom stainless and glass rails with 1 1/4” pipe rails I will make brackets that do not knock your fingers off as you walk down holding the rails, but they still look nice. You are going to see something no matter what you use. But you could just get the brackets that go to the wall and then you lay the pipe on them and tap and screw them into the pipe.

https://www.tophardware.com/product...316-grade-wall-mount-handrail-bracket-for-round-railing-mirror-finish-wb-e038s/

These I made.

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Sincerely,

William McCormick

 

Looks good

Dave

Is it going to be stainless pipe? The reason you do not see hidden rail mounts so much is it is a pain in the butt to mount them behind the rail and you still see them anyway. When I do custom stainless and glass rails with 1 1/4” pipe rails I will make brackets that do not knock your fingers off as you walk down holding the rails, but they still look nice. You are going to see something no matter what you use. But you could just get the brackets that go to the wall and then you lay the pipe on them and tap and screw them into the pipe.

https://www.tophardware.com/product...316-grade-wall-mount-handrail-bracket-for-round-railing-mirror-finish-wb-e038s/

These I made.

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Sincerely,

William McCormick

 

Rails are uncomfortable unless the support is from the bottom & the rail is at least 2" OD. the hand fits over the round railing, but unless you are NBA star, your fingers aren't long enough to bang into the support.

I'd suggest a 1/4 x 2"square flat to attach to the bottom of the rail. The rest of what attaches to the wall as needed. Invisible? that'd be tough! Support with a magnetic field.

 

I made a "grab" bar for the stairway in my own basement stairway very similar to what William shows. Room and clearance was a huge factor. I used aluminum angle and 1 inch thick wall tubing. It's simply something to hang on to for we old folks.

 

How long does the handrail need to be?

I would not make any handrail that was mounted in some tube mount,, your hand would hit it,,
no one would like that, you gotta be able to simply slide your hand continuously,, IMHO,,

My wife wanted a 12 foot handrail,
I made it out of 1 1/2" cold rolled solid steel ,, (i had it)

I have used a bar like that for prying, there is NO WAY body weight can make it bend, at all.

I ALMOST made a single center mount, and the entire hand rail was gonna free float, except for one center, super rigid bracket.

I decided that two supports would look more "conventional",, I did not want anyone to be afraid to use it, in spite of the fact that it would not be able to show any give,,

 

sharpeproducts.com may have something. Is this new construction with open walls? If yes, you could share some of the pressure to the framers and drywall folk.

 

i had 1 instance to do a free floating rail on limited funds as well
any i used 3/4 anchor bolts with 1 1/2 washers mounted the anchors and weld legs and rails in place
granted it was early in construction and welding there caused no marring or damage