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    Quote Originally Posted by mla2ofus View Post
    I just can't figure some designs with the A frame attached to the tongue and the winch on the box which means you'd have to feed out cable at the same time the box is raising.
    I didn't realize we were talking about a tilt-bed trailer.

    Even still, having to spool the cable out first thing is a good idea. That way, the cable is easy to access and you don't have to climb your way up a slope to get to the hook. Plus, I don't think there would be much tilting involved unless you only had one animal to pick up that day.... otherwise the first one would want to slide down the ramp you just pulled it up. Add in some mud and blood, maybe some rain, and that trailer would be a slick mess.

    Better to simple grab the hook and spool out the cable as you walk backwards. Get the hook outside of the trailer to wherever your animals are. And if you need to raise or lower the bed, you can do it then.

    It wouldn't be much work at all to have the bed tilt up even with the winch mounted to the tongue. The pulley on the bed would simply ride along under the cable you've already spooled out.

    Now, since we're talking about spending someone else's time and money, might I suggest we go whole hog?

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    Wouldn't be any trouble to build a genuine tower on the tongue of the trailer. Plus, think about the boost to his business when everyone sees what a professional he is?! Can't pass up quality advertising like that, imo.

    Just gotta decide on what paint color to go with. I do like that red, white, and blue.....

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    Great looking truck.
    It is time proving too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnT View Post
    I didn't realize we were talking about a tilt-bed trailer.

    Even still, having to spool the cable out first thing is a good idea. That way, the cable is easy to access and you don't have to climb your way up a slope to get to the hook. Plus, I don't think there would be much tilting involved unless you only had one animal to pick up that day.... otherwise the first one would want to slide down the ramp you just pulled it up. Add in some mud and blood, maybe some rain, and that trailer would be a slick mess.

    Better to simple grab the hook and spool out the cable as you walk backwards. Get the hook outside of the trailer to wherever your animals are. And if you need to raise or lower the bed, you can do it then.

    It wouldn't be much work at all to have the bed tilt up even with the winch mounted to the tongue. The pulley on the bed would simply ride along under the cable you've already spooled out.

    Now, since we're talking about spending someone else's time and money, might I suggest we go whole hog?

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    Wouldn't be any trouble to build a genuine tower on the tongue of the trailer. Plus, think about the boost to his business when everyone sees what a professional he is?! Can't pass up quality advertising like that, imo.

    Just gotta decide on what paint color to go with. I do like that red, white, and blue.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldiron2 View Post
    I would think the frame would need to resist both downward and front-back forces so the pulley would mount on top of something like this, with red symbolizing the upward (which could instead be the Cross bracing you already planned, modified to go higher) and blue showing the fore-back bracing.

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    Before I started this thread I wanted the A frame as you have it. My wife said you can not use the dump function, I then thought of using a hitch pin to release the A frame so It can dump. I have not mentioned that to the owner. So its possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
    Attachment 1738878 You don't need steel all over the place. Just mount the tubing inside the bed. Weld the plate to the sheet metal, then weld the tubing to the plate. 3/16 plate ought to do.

    The sheet metal is plenty strong in the orientation you're looking at. All of the strength comes from the sides, not the front of the box. It will resist torque if plated to spread the load over a larger surface.................and the tubing,, in turn, resists torque.

    Why resistance to torque? A winch isn't always pulling straight............it pulls up, and from side to side. Tubing resists force on all axis.

    Put all those pulleys on, and you have problems if it isn't a straight line pull. And, if the bed is up..........now you're running a ton of line, plus your tongue mounted winch is now trying to pull off the tongue upwards.

    Keep everything in the bed, and you're golden. If the dood uses the trailer for trash, an such.......make the mount so the winch comes off easy.....your receiver tube.
    He does not want the winch in the bed. That would be easy for me but he hauls gravel and such

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
    BTW...........a 2x2x.250 piece of tubing is less strong than a 3x5x11ga piece of tubing. Structural elements are all about dimensions, not necessarily wall thickness. .250 tubing is 5.9lbs/ft.............3x5x11ga is 6.2lbs/ft

    Fabricating is all about sizing your elements. You can always go heavier (3/16) which doesn't hurt..........11ga is your minimum. Steel costs money nowdays, it's not like it was 2yrs ago. You can work with less.
    I agree with you I happen to have 2x2 1/4 wall and with the price of steel I'm trying to save both of use money. I like rectangle steel for strength

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave View Post
    The more I think about what he is using it for, the more I'm convinced I'd want a gantry crane trailer set up.

    Similar to how a septic tank hauling truck is made.

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    That is how I thought they did it before I saw his actual truck. The winch is mounted high and is a massive winch, like what a wrecker uses. He has like really long cables because horses die in stall and he has to drag them out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldiron2 View Post
    I would think the frame would need to resist both downward and front-back forces so the pulley would mount on top of something like this, with red symbolizing the upward (which could instead be the Cross bracing you already planned, modified to go higher) and blue showing the fore-back bracing.

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    This makes sense. I'm going to try and talk him into this. Its my original idea, triangles are just stronger. He may go for it.
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    Well.... I guess there is no point in discussing the 2 sticks of dynamite under the front frame rails that I was going to suggest...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reebz View Post
    This makes sense. I'm going to try and talk him into this. Its my original idea, triangles are just stronger. He may go for it.
    I didn't see any mention of the bed tilting earlier and agree with Vaughn about not using it for multiple animals. If he would then need a ramp, a sliding one could be mounted under the trailer and arranged so the close end could swivel up and lock to to the rear of the bed when in use
    To facilitate the bed tilt, the A -frame's inner post could mount on the frame instead of the rear box wall and could also be used to help tilt/dump the trailer box when full of rocks, assuming it doesn't already have some unmentioned device to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldiron2 View Post
    I would think the frame would need to resist both downward and front-back forces so the pulley would mount on top of something like this, with red symbolizing the upward (which could instead be the Cross bracing you already planned, modified to go higher) and blue showing the fore-back bracing.

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    I could use both of our ideas and Use a Ratchet Straps.
    My A frame idea and the strap to counter balance and even the shearing force.

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    Had a dead wagon come get a horse once. I had drug it out by the county road. He pulled up on the road, raised his bed up, hooked the cable to the horses leg, started winching. Across the bar ditch. Bout the time the pony's body got to the rear of the bed it rolled & hung up on the bed. Driver kept winching & pulled the leg off. Had to re-rig to get it all.

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    Sean, one of my extra sons wanted desperately to bolt a wench to the front of his Jeep. He was upset when I mentioned it's illegal.
    At 6' 5" 250LBS, He's a very handsome man. I would expect any number of wenches might enjoy his company, providing she could distract him from talk of engine entrails & final drives. The search for a wench willing to be bolted to a Jeep might be more difficult.

    He still pronounces it wrong, but has one on his latest Jeep, another on his Chevy 3500 dually. To this day, just shy of 40 years old, he hasn't found the right wench. Until he's done caring for his utterly dependent mother, I doubt he will.
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    This guys family has been doing it for 40 plus years. He always has a funny story to tell. He has pulled many heads off of cows, he hates winter because he can not get as many frozen cows in is truck as he can warm ones. The list goes on, he is a good story teller and makes it fun

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    I've drug lot's of dead equipment into my trailer with this setup. 2-3000lbs has not been a problem. Same setup with an A frame or at least a snatch block higher up would probably help in your case. The rendering trucks I've seen have been old dump trucks with cranes on them.
    https://weldingweb.com/vbb/attachmen...1&d=1261280246

    Yeah, it's a bad pic, but over a decade old at this point.

    Mounted to the lower front, outside of box. Cable goes through the box wall. No issues yet with dirt or gravel getting into it.
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    It hard to see this type business today.
    But guess some has to do job.

    At less he can joke about work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reebz View Post
    This guys family has been doing it for 40 plus years. He always has a funny story to tell. He has pulled many heads off of cows, he hates winter because he can not get as many frozen cows in is truck as he can warm ones. The list goes on, he is a good story teller and makes it fun

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    Thanks. I was thinking I have not seen post from you in a long time hope all is well I always learn from your post. I will float this by him. I imagine if he hauls 10 a day this could be a problem. It is a back up back up. He is getting a new truck soon.

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    I agree its odd, dirty, nasty but needed. He hauls 80 dead cows and horses a week and business is growing. That's not including deer, calves, and foals

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    Sounds like pays well too.

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    Boostinjdm's
    Thanks. I was thinking I have not seen post from you in a long time hope all is well I always learn from your post. I will float this by him. I imagine if he hauls 10 a day this could be a problem. It is a back up back up. He is getting a new truck soon.

    Smithdor
    I agree its odd, dirty, nasty but needed. He hauls 80 dead cows and horses a week and business is growing. That's not including deer, calves, and foals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reebz View Post
    This guys family has been doing it for 40 plus years. He always has a funny story to tell. He has pulled many heads off of cows, he hates winter because he can not get as many frozen cows in is truck as he can warm ones. The list goes on, he is a good story teller and makes it fun
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    I feel an overwhelming sense of sadness when one dies, and has to be removed to the other side of the creek. Same when it's time to load them for market. The food chain is part of the unbroken circle. It deserves respect, and humility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
    Can't say as I find anything amusing about a dead animal, nor funny stories associated with it. But I suppose it takes a certain sort of person to haul off Nature's garbage.

    I feel an overwhelming sense of sadness when one dies, and has to be removed to the other side of the creek. Same when it's time to load them for market. The food chain is part of the unbroken circle. It deserves respect, and humility.
    That's true, but when one's daily work involves death and dying, in order not to think about that constantly, it's common to instead try to find other aspects to discuss or to joke about.
    Imagine a policeman trying to rescue someone from a mangled and burning car; reaching in through a broken window, an arm comes out without the rest of the body. Or a Forensic Chemist, after analyzing stomach contents for poisons, goes up to lunch and the Criminalists are eating something that closely resembles what he was just examining. A doctor is on call for his turn at the Hospital Emergency room, gets the notice, and soon finds a member of his family is the near-dead patient. It happens and has to be dealt with somehow.

    For much less-common situations, there are other ways, sometimes including taking time off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
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Size:  128.8 KB Can't say as I find anything amusing about a dead animal, nor funny stories associated with it. But I suppose it takes a certain sort of person to haul off Nature's garbage.

    I feel an overwhelming sense of sadness when one dies, and has to be removed to the other side of the creek. Same when it's time to load them for market. The food chain is part of the unbroken circle. It deserves respect, and humility.
    Some are respectful. All are uncomfortable. Like EMS personnel, they make stupid jokes. I knew (RIP), & now know another EMS, make terrible jokes, compare decapitated heads to bowling balls. It's a way of dealing with terrible things.
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    People how own horses 🐎 would hate that photo.
    They think you need to roll the 1,000 pound horse into a wood box.
    Good luck with roll and they will not help or even touch the dead horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
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    I feel an overwhelming sense of sadness when one dies, and has to be removed to the other side of the creek. Same when it's time to load them for market. The food chain is part of the unbroken circle. It deserves respect, and humility.

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    Agree its gallows humor I suppose, ,I have friends that were homicide detectives in Akron same sort of wise *** humor. He is just a fun guy to talk to. I won't be seeing the trailer for a week the fuel system a mess on his regular truck. I imagine I will do a combination of post 33 and 34. If not steel on the A frame portion chain or ratchet straps

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    I have no intention to build or use a trailer to pick up dead animals, but I really enjoyed the comments and suggestions raised by everyone. Before I retired, we would call this a design review.

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    Not sure when the trailer is coming back, when it does I will snap some pictures

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    Well much to do about nothing. He has spent a ton on truck repairs and a new truck so he is not going to do the winch mount. Price of steel strikes again.

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