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    Arc blow

    Tried everything but couldn't eliminate it. Maybe cant eliminate it in such close corners, don't know. Material is mild steel 2" X 3/8" about 18" on each side. Using 5/32 7018.
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    Re: Arc blow

    I thought I heard the cure for arc blow was AC welding. You tried that and it didn't help?
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    Re: Arc blow

    I agree with the AC comment. Also, in what order were the parts welded? All inner sections placed and tacked before main welds were made (thus in tight quarters)? If so, might it have been better to mark the outside where the inner ends would go and starting near the two outside corners, fully weld each one in turn so only the last center piece had less room?

    What do these have to support, just people, lawn equipment wheels, automobiles/trucks, or nothing? Where are they designed to go; triangular is not common.



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    Re: Arc blow

    The triangle shape was welded up first and then the bars were set in from the outsides and progress toward center alternating from one side to the other. Tried AC a little but I have trouble with 7018 on AC and didn't have any AC7018.

    By the way it's a grate for the firebox in a Amish wood heater for a greenhouse so I got lucky as it didn't have to look pretty.
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    Re: Arc blow

    AC and 7014 will cure your problem nicely
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    Re: Arc blow

    Never even thought about that. I'll get some and put in the truck for occasions like this.
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    Re: Arc blow

    Smaller rod use 1/8 inch or 3/32

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortarc View Post
    Never even thought about that. I'll get some and put in the truck for occasions like this.
    Thanks.
    As a bonus, they weld quite nicely
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    Re: Arc blow

    This isnt truly arc blow everyone seems to think is common,,,, I never get it, this is a rod angle problem. Turn the machine up, shove the rod in it.
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    Re: Arc blow

    Tried every angle from dragging the rod to pushing it with no help. if I turn the amperage up it will just blow a crater and large BB's everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortarc View Post
    Tried every angle from dragging the rod to pushing it with no help. if I turn the amperage up it will just blow a crater and large BB's everywhere.
    You can run really big rods at high amps with AC and 7014 or 7024

    (7024 being flat and horizontal only of course)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sberry View Post
    This isnt truly arc blow everyone seems to think is common,,,, I never get it, this is a rod angle problem. Turn the machine up, shove the rod in it.
    I've experienced it many times, especially on items that are already magnetized.

    Some drill pipe made a DC arc go sideways.
    (it would hold up a hammer)
    AC fixed the problem and I welded happy.
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    Re: Arc blow

    I did not know that on DC.
    Most of My stick welders was AC and never had problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave View Post
    I've experienced it many times, especially on items that are already magnetized.

    Some drill pipe made a DC arc go sideways.
    (it would hold up a hammer)
    AC fixed the problem and I welded happy.

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    Re: Arc blow

    there is something about the area on the inside of flange of i-beam, about 1/4 - 1/3 of the way from the web, too the outer edge of flange, that sometimes i gives arc blow. so its not uncommon to get arc blow in that short stretch, while welding in a stiffener. switching to ac, ususually isnt an option

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123weld View Post
    there is something about the area on the inside of flange of i-beam, about 1/4 - 1/3 of the way from the web, too the outer edge of flange, that sometimes i gives arc blow. so its not uncommon to get arc blow in that short stretch, while welding in a stiffener. switching to ac, ususually isnt an option
    Sometimes changing the position of the ground cable (or adding a short jumper so the current comes over different paths) can reduce the "arc blow". On DC, the arc is magnetized so reacts to the magnetic field set up by the current beyond the arc. Currents coming different ways can set up competing fields that oppose (neutralize) each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldiron2 View Post
    Sometimes changing the position of the ground cable (or adding a short jumper so the current comes over different paths) can reduce the "arc blow". On DC, the arc is magnetized so reacts to the magnetic field set up by the current beyond the arc. Currents coming different ways can set up competing fields that oppose (neutralize) each other.
    yes, im understanding on that, and reversing directions. but the area is like the bermuda triangle, sometimes
    Last edited by 123weld; 05-01-2022 at 06:15 PM.

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    Re: Arc blow

    Sometimes, no matter what you try to do..........arc blow will defeat you.

    Name:  spike22.JPG
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Size:  245.9 KB The arc simply went where it wanted.

    Changed over to AC, and 7018AC for these particular welds...................

    Name:  spike25.JPG
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Size:  182.1 KB Although the AC variety is prone to surface porosity, it can be successfully run at fairly high amps, with the rod literally shoved into the metal. I like looking at my old welds before my eyesight went completely South. (still no response from the eye doc appointment request)

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
    Sometimes, no matter what you try to do..........arc blow will defeat you.

    The arc simply went where it wanted.

    Changed over to AC, and 7018AC for these particular welds...................

    Although the AC variety is prone to surface porosity, it can be successfully run at fairly high amps, with the rod literally shoved into the metal. I like looking at my old welds before my eyesight went completely South. (still no response from the eye doc appointment request)
    I wonder what would happen if a degaussing coil were put just behind that metal while welding with DC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldiron2 View Post
    I wonder what would happen if a degaussing coil were put just behind that metal while welding with DC?
    By “degaussing coil” do you mean the device for demagnetizing
    the CRT in an old television?
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    Re: Arc blow

    I have burn a lot with E7018 rod
    I have never had arc blow but is was mostly with AC .

    Very interesting photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
    Sometimes, no matter what you try to do..........arc blow will defeat you.

    Name:  spike22.JPG
Views: 249
Size:  245.9 KB The arc simply went where it wanted.

    Changed over to AC, and 7018AC for these particular welds...................

    Name:  spike25.JPG
Views: 243
Size:  182.1 KB Although the AC variety is prone to surface porosity, it can be successfully run at fairly high amps, with the rod literally shoved into the metal. I like looking at my old welds before my eyesight went completely South. (still no response from the eye doc appointment request)

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    Re: Arc blow

    I was gonna comment about eyesight,,, then figured if arc blow makes it sound better,,, well...

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    Re: Arc blow

    It could be never had problem is most time my first pass was E6011 then the rest was E7018.
    If had a large gap I use E6013 first past and then E7018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sberry View Post
    I was gonna comment about eyesight,,, then figured if arc blow makes it sound better,,, well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sberry View Post
    I was gonna comment about eyesight,,, then figured if arc blow makes it sound better,,, well...
    So, hero?.............you've never seen arc blow shove a puddle off line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sberry View Post
    I was gonna comment about eyesight,,, then figured if arc blow makes it sound better,,, well...
    Not sure why you don't "believe" in arc blow - but here's a very old video on the subject.

    Enjoy

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    Re: Arc blow

    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
    So, hero?.............you've never seen arc blow shove a puddle off line?
    I hear you Sam, I've personally seen it go nearly completely sideways.
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