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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by rexcormack View Post
    I think the OP is looking for a problem that does not exist.
    I just read the official Honda manual on this engine and nowhere in it does it say anything about
    a break in procedure or break in hours.

    https://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com...X37Z6L6010.pdf
    Uh-oh, LOOKOUT



    Looks like we got us an INSTRUCTION MANUAL READER here!

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by 12V71 View Post
    Are using "motor" as the same term as "engine"? Diesel engines are usually "broken in" under varying loads, the worst thing you can do is run an engine under zero load trying to get the rings seated especially at an idle. When I turn a rebuilt truck engine out of the shop the driver is instructed to drive normally varying the speeds slightly and avoiding extra heavy pulls at first, hold a gear or two lower on long hills for the first 1500 miles to seat things in.
    We are talking about a Honda gas generator engine. The op is looking to stress the motor as a break in method. Completely different scenario.

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    With 6 hours of runtime on that 22hp motor, one of two scenarios has most likely already happened.
    Either:
    a) the motor is already broken in, or
    b) the cylinder walls have glazed and the rings will NEVER properly seat.

    If it doesn't burn oil, then the rings have seated and the motor is broken in.
    If it DOES burn oil. then the cylinder glazed and/or the rings got jammed up with carbon before the rings seated.

    I think the OP is probably making a tempest in a teacup out of this.

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    Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by 12V71 View Post
    Are using "motor" as the same term as "engine"? Diesel engines are usually "broken in" under varying loads, the worst thing you can do is run an engine under zero load trying to get the rings seated especially at an idle. When I turn a rebuilt truck engine out of the shop the driver is instructed to drive normally varying the speeds slightly and avoiding extra heavy pulls at first, hold a gear or two lower on long hills for the first 1500 miles to seat things in.
    Every hot rod car (or motorcycle) engine Ive ever built I ran it normal/varying speeds/rpm …

    Then after about 100 miles ….. anything goes “ Break it in like you’re gonna run it”

    Hammer down.

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    Hey 12v71

    I got me a present today from Brown.


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    Now all ya gotta do now, John, is weld some black iron fittings onto that!

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by StandarDyne View Post
    Now all ya gotta do now, John, is weld some black iron fittings onto that!
    HaH!!!

    I heard that.
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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by John T View Post
    Hey 12v71

    I got me a present today from Brown.


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    That's PURDY. For the 7.3L?

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by 12V71 View Post
    That's PURDY. For the 7.3L?
    Yes.
    Had to yank it for oil pan/ exhaust manifolds
    Decided to do some upgrades along the way.
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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Glad its u and not me,,, ha If you really bored I could find you a couple fixes.

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by StandarDyne View Post
    Uh-oh, LOOKOUT



    Looks like we got us an INSTRUCTION MANUAL READER here!
    I really like that.

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Generac Home Standby machines are supplied with a proprietary break in oil you leave in for an extended period. No mention is made of any out of the ordinary break in procedure other than that.
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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    It appears the OP is looking for a nonexistent problem.
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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie B View Post
    Generac Home Standby machines are supplied with a proprietary break in oil.
    Is that the same thing as snake oil?
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    Its almost scary how much we think alike.

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by John T View Post
    Is that the same thing as snake oil?
    I doubt it is more than fossil based oil, they just don't want the crankcase filled with anything weird before a fighting chance at break in.
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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by 12V71 View Post
    Are using "motor" as the same term as "engine"? Diesel engines are usually "broken in" under varying loads, the worst thing you can do is run an engine under zero load trying to get the rings seated especially at an idle. When I turn a rebuilt truck engine out of the shop the driver is instructed to drive normally varying the speeds slightly and avoiding extra heavy pulls at first, hold a gear or two lower on long hills for the first 1500 miles to seat things in.
    I believe that stepping on throttle seats the rings on the top and letting off throttle seats the bottom but I may be overthinking but then we are talking about a new engine or newly rebuilt. On the other hand Ive heard to throttle it like you stole it when breaking in but thats not what I do.

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie B View Post
    I doubt it is more than fossil based oil, they just don't want the crankcase filled with anything weird before a fighting chance at break in.
    "The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat, the constant variety of stupid"
    Most likely a non detergent oil. Ive heard that recommended before for first oil when breaking in.

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaneride View Post
    Most likely a non detergent oil. Ive heard that recommended before for first oil when breaking in.
    I think the break-in oils may be a bit higher in zinc content to protect slipper type cam followers. Could be wrong though.

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by 12V71 View Post
    I think the break-in oils may be a bit higher in zinc content to protect slipper type cam followers. Could be wrong though.
    Yep, that's what I've always heard, also for flat lifter cams, BUT you have to be careful with these oils in engines that sport silver bearings as the zinc will plate to the silver.

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    If it came with something called break in oil out it would go, new off the shelf oil goes in.

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Back in the olden days, I think they used to put a special "break-in" oil in automobile engines, but I guess they don't anymore, so that no one will try to get 50k miles out of it.

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    Re: Transformer welder for a dump load?

    Quote Originally Posted by StandarDyne View Post
    Back in the olden days, I think they used to put a special "break-in" oil in automobile engines, but I guess they don't anymore, so that no one will try to get 50k miles out of it.

    They also tell you not to drink the battery fluid in the manual instead of how to time the distributor.

    Of course modern vehicle engines are electronically controlled so there is no distributor, but you get the point I'm sure.

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