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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    The only thing I don't like about 7028 is that it is not all-position due to the fluid slag.

    Quote Originally Posted by metalmelter2021 View Post
    Oscar, I much appreciate you doing that little test run on your 7018’s for me. A picture is worth a thousand words. I think your guess that adding a few amps would have made the Blue Demon run well is correct. I will try it with 98-100 amps, and see how they do. 10 lbs. showed up yesterday afternoon by UPS. They’re 5/32, so I might have to go up to 105 amps.


    NP. So did you really get 5/32"?
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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    The only thing I don't like about 7028 is that it is not all-position due to the fluid slag.
    Too true, but what a filler rod it is.
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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    You guys know Im new to welding, so basically, if I mistate something like amps, Im ready to be corrected, and thanks!
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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    I agree 👍
    All my stick welding was all positions.
    If I was doing flat position witch was in shop I used fluxcore E71T-1 w/CO2 in shop.

    Maybe Freebirdwelds is using field for large welding projects to save time as E7028 is a faster rod.

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    The only thing I don't like about 7028 is that it is not all-position due to the fluid slag.





    NP. So did you really get 5/32"?

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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    Quote Originally Posted by metalmelter2021 View Post
    You guys know I’m new to welding, so basically, if I mistate something like amps, I’m ready to be corrected, and thanks!
    What size rod did you get?
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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freebirdwelds View Post
    What size rod did you get?
    5/32 7018 for the blue demon, but I also have some 3/32 7018 on hand. I have both 3/32 6013 and 5/32 6013, some 3/32 and 5/32 6011, my Miller 215 does not recommend 6010, but does recommend 6011. I also have flux core wire from Harbor Freight, Lincoln, and PGN. I feel like I want to give myself some broad knowledge on how different rod/wires run. Once I get into the weding classes next month, I will learn all about using gasses and such, for straight GMAW mig. Once I get familiar with those, I’m gonna pull out my spool gun, and do some aluminum MIG with proper gas. I’ve even been toying with the idea of getting a TIG setup for my 215. Goal: be a well-rounded welder in many processes.
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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    Hope you have good gloves. But yea, 105A will not tickle a 5/32" 7018

    Have a look at this chart:

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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    Quote Originally Posted by metalmelter2021 View Post
    5/32 7018 for the blue demon, but I also have some 3/32 7018 on hand. I have both 3/32 6013 and 5/32 6013, some 3/32 and 5/32 6011, my Miller 215 does not recommend 6010, but does recommend 6011. I also have flux core wire from Harbor Freight, Lincoln, and PGN. I feel like I want to give myself some broad knowledge on how different rod/wires run. Once I get into the weding classes next month, I will learn all about using gasses and such, for straight GMAC mig. Once I get familiar with those, I’m gonna pull out my spool gun, and do some aluminum MIG with proper gas.
    85% of the ton+ rod I run a year is 5/32. It takes a lot of practice and skill to run in and out of position. Master that and you'll be knocking the rest out of the park.
    Good luck and start burning 25 - 50 lbs a day. Practice, practice and then practice some more.
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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Hope you have good gloves. But yea, 105A will not tickle a 5/32" 7018

    Have a look at this chart:

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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Hope you have good gloves. But yea, 105A will not tickle a 5/32" 7018

    Have a look at this chart:

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    I buy these by the dozen every couple years. I wish I could just buy lefts. lol But the used rights work great on the grill and wood stove.

    I like these cause you can pick up a dime off the table with them.

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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freebirdwelds View Post
    Good luck and start burning 25 - 50 lbs a day. Practice, practice and then practice some more.
    If the class pays for it, heck yea. If he is buying it personally, OoooooWeeeeee!!
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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    Freebird is obviously working on some very big iron with the 5/32 and 7/32. Most of the welding I do on farm equipment is done with 3/32 or 1/8. Usually if I'm pulling out the 5/32 it's because I can't get things fit back up as tight as I'd like. I would think most of your practice could be done with 3/32 and 1/8 for a lot less cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whtbaron View Post
    I would think most of your practice could be done with 3/32 and 1/8 for a lot less cost.
    Exactly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freebirdwelds View Post
    I buy these by the dozen every couple years. I wish I could just buy lefts. lol But the used rights work great on the grill and wood stove.

    I like these cause you can pick up a dime off the table with them.
    That's good; I've yet to find a decent priced MIG glove that doesn't burn up quickly, and they're pretty pricey. What I've been doing is using Tillman TIG gloves, with 1 or even sometimes 2 reflective/aluminized fiberglass backer pads on each glove. The main reason is most of my stick welders and all my MIGs have a remote amperage slider control, so the thinner gloves give me the dexterity and precision I need to operate it, and the backer pads are like war shields to help ward off the heat.

    I learned a while back to not hold the MIG gun by the nozzle/neck to avoid frying gloves; with stick welding I just sorta change the hand positioning when possible and position the backer pads where needed to block the uncovered part of the other hand's glove. I've found, for me, the most important thing with stick and MIG welding, is to learn how to hold the MIG gun or stick stinger as far back as possible while still retaining the necessary control. I use my non-trigger hand to not add control at the nozzle, but rather I manipulate the cable end of the torch to help achieve the same amount of added control, since my trigger hand works as a pivot of sorts.



    Basically like this. Hold near the back end, and hold up your shield at the same time. That's me, the Achilles of welding.



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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    I don't weld enough to keep the big gloves supple so I end up using ordinary work gloves and setting the backs on fire (not recommended). I need to try a better set as well. My hands aren't overly large, but these Chinese sizes seem to be made for kids instead of adults.
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    I buy the cheap Tillman aluminized backer pads from Cyberweld I think, and a dozen costs about $50-something and end up with free shipping. They key is to not let them take spatter as much as possible, and just ward off the heat from the arc light, but of course sometimes they will get hit with spatter no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freebirdwelds View Post
    This is some of the best rod and wire I have ever run. I wish it was all I ever used. But take a look at the prices.............

    https://rockmountwelding.com/product...=arc-rods-smaw

    https://rockmountwelding.com/product...ng-wear-plates

    That's some high dollar rods. They priced to be competitive with government contracts or something. Looks like $20 a lb for 6011, but on $7 a lb for 7018. whooo

    Reminds me of Excelloy rods, they run sweet, but they don't list them as 6011, 7018, ect. They get their own special names. Except Excelloy doesn't sell retail, so I have no idea what the pricing is.
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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    Just ordered up some Lincoln Excalibur 10018 in 7/32", $100 for 50lb tin. Let's burn these suckers. I still need some 1/4".
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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Just ordered up some Lincoln Excalibur 10018 in 7/32", $100 for 50lb tin. Let's burn these suckers. I still need some 1/4".

    Nice price too.
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    Yea, every time I hear somebody crying about the price of rods I think about those Eutectic 9598's I bought to fix the loader arm. $400 for 11 lbs and worth every damn penny...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roert42 View Post
    That's some high dollar rods. They priced to be competitive with government contracts or something. Looks like $20 a lb for 6011, but on $7 a lb for 7018. whooo

    Reminds me of Excelloy rods, they run sweet, but they don't list them as 6011, 7018, ect. They get their own special names. Except Excelloy doesn't sell retail, so I have no idea what the pricing is.
    There used to be a salesman from a company called "Chronatron" selling all sorts of specialty welding rods for removing bolts, welding special steels, and castings. The welding rods didn't have 6011, or 7018 type numbers on them. They were setup for GSA contracts mostly I think , I only bought a low temp solder from him mostly. Occasionally some TIG filler, or some stainless. Boy was his stuff expensive. He retired a while back, right after the company changed its name to "Lawson".
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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    Freebird are you just using the 7/32 7028 as a filler rod on large butt joints or large fillet welds ? What stinger are you using that is easy to get that large of electrode in easily ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leogl View Post
    Freebird are you just using the 7/32 7028 as a filler rod on large butt joints or large fillet welds ? What stinger are you using that is easy to get that large of electrode in easily ?
    Not really, I use it mainly on AR400 Plate. I rebuild a lot of Grapplers. Like this one. New teeth, bushings and 1/2" plate. In one pic you'll see it on the half inch plate along the edge under my remote and weld rod tube and on the other pic you'll see the edge of the 1/2" plate by the RR tie blocking. The 1/2" plate got one pass all the way around with it. I had to replace one full tooth and a couple caps. I used it for the cap on those. I didn't use it for the bushings. That's all 5/32".
    I use a 350amp Lincoln Stinger.

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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    The last 3 pics shows the grapple when I got it.

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    Re: Blue Demon 7018?

    I bet that 7/32 7028 gobbles up some current...holy cow. Does the stinger lead thrash when you start the arc?

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