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#1 ·
I can't stress enough how important a really good ground is to making good welds. I've known many certified journeyman welders that fail to verify a good ground before they strike an arc. When the weld doesn't go right(arc blow, porosity, sticking, poor appearance, heat fluctuation, etc), they blame everything except the ground. Many, if not most, of those problems will improve if you just take the time to verify a good ground.

Obviously, DC and AC current travel in a circuit. Anything that restricts or interrupts that circuit affects the quality of the arc. Your ground cable should be the same gauge as the electrode cable. Broken wires at the ground clamp reduce current carrying capacity. Ever see a ground clamp attached by just a few little strands of wire? That spot creates resistance. Resistance causes heat. Any heat that concentrates at that skinny spot is stolen from the electrode arc. Whether you use stick, MIG, or TIG, its all affected by ground. The reason the arc is hot is because the current is jumping across a small gap of air, also known as the arc length. The longer the arc length, the hotter the arc. That's why a stick welder will shorten his arc length when its getting too hot. The shorter arc cools the arc down. When the arc length is reduced to zero, the arc goes out and the rod sticks.

To verify a good ground keep your cables and connections in good repair. Do not rely on a ground through a metal table. Even if your table is grounded, put a clamped ground onto the work piece. Grind off paint and rust at the grounding point and at the weld. Wipe off oil and other contaminants. Don't use wet or contaminated rods or MIG wire. If your welding machine is grounded to the superstructure of a building or other structure, don't just put the spring clamp onto a rusty or painted column. Weld a 1/2" bolt to the superstructure in a spot that won't weaken the structure. Put an "eye" on the ground cable end and nut that eye to the bolt with a lock washer.

Last, but maybe most important of all, ground directly to the part that you are welding. This is particularly necessary when welding any part that moves in any way. Moving parts on a machine, vehicle, or other usually are only touching the rest of the structure through a bearing, bushing, hinge, slide, pneumatic or hydraulic cylinder, or some other connection that will be damaged if you run welding current through it. If you run weld current through a bearing, you will leave arc spots on the balls or rollers. That bearing is shot. Same with bushings and hinges and cylinders.

So, put a moment's effort into your grounds and things will go better.
 
#2 ·
Yup..

...zap!
 
#4 ·
Good info on the grounding, I'm glad you brought it up!

Here's an example to help illustrate your point: At work, we weld parts on rotating jigs. We have always attatched the ground clamp the base of the jig that sits on the floor, as that is the stationary part of the jig and a logical place to ground to. One day I decided to put the ground clamp on the rotating part of the jig that the welded part is directly clamped to. Man the machine felt like it gained 20 amps of power! My usual settings were way too hot now that the ground circuit didnt have to travel through the pivot on the jig! Unfortunately, the jig needs to rotate and it cant do that with a ground cable attached to the rotating part of it... Fortunately though, the parts we weld are very thin and the machine is operating way below it's capacity so the extra power from the better ground isn't needed.

Something I have noticed on the machines here at the house, when I stick weld in DC+, I notice that if I am welding toward the ground clamp, if I get closer than 6 inches from the clamp the arc wants to blow off the opposite way. Haven't noticed that in DC-. Kinda fun to see, but scared me the first time it happened. I dont stick weld all that often and usually dont get the stick that close to the clamp. Never had that happen with mig, which is also DC+.
 
#5 ·
DesertRider33 said:
Good info on the grounding, I'm glad you brought it up!

My usual settings were way too hot now that the ground circuit didnt have to travel through the pivot on the jig! Unfortunately, the jig needs to rotate and it cant do that with a ground cable attached to the rotating part of it...
There are several commercial clamp units that will allow rotation. I, in fact, have a 500 amp magnetic that I can rotate at home.
The other way is to wrap the cable before stating so that it unwinds as you rotate.
 
#6 ·
I'll have to look into magnetic clamps and let the boss know such a thing exists. I doubt he would buy us any, but it would be good to know more about them.

Cable would have to be a few hundred feet long to wrap it around and let it unwind during the shift.... :D
 
#8 ·
Topdeadcenter said:
Anything that restricts or interrupts that circuit affects the quality of the arc. Your ground cable should be the same gauge as the electrode cable. Broken wires at the ground clamp reduce current carrying capacity. Ever see a ground clamp attached by just a few little strands of wire? That spot creates resistance. Resistance causes heat. Any heat that concentrates at that skinny spot is stolen from the electrode arc. Whether you use stick, MIG, or TIG, its all affected by ground. The reason the arc is hot is because the current is jumping across a small gap of air, also known as the arc length. The longer the arc length, the hotter the arc. That's why a stick welder will shorten his arc length when its getting too hot. The shorter arc cools the arc down. When the arc length is reduced to zero, the arc goes out and the rod sticks..
First, what happens to the arc when you have a bad ground connection?
A bad ground connection, or any other poor electrical connection in the weld circuit, increases resistance to electron flow.

In stick and TIG welding, with a constant current power supply, the increased resistance is offset by increased voltage at the power supply in order to provide the same current. The current through the circuit is constant and equal at all locations in the circuit, so the ARC CURRENT IS UNCHANGED.

The voltage in the circuit is not equal at all locations, it is higher at the power supply and lower at the arc, since the resistance between these points has reduced the voltage. The VOLTAGE AT THE ARC IS CONSTANT however, because arc voltage is a function of arc length, and the elements within the arc atmosphere from the shield gas or electrode coating.

So, within the capability of the power supply to supply added voltage to drive the current, an added resistance, from a bad ground or whatever, will not affect the current or voltage at the arc, and hence THE WELD IS UNCHANGED.

Second, is a short arc colder than a long arc?
Yes, since a longer arc requires a higher voltage, the power at the arc is higher (amps x volts = watts).

Why don't we weld TIG or stick with a 1/2" arc instead of a 1/16" arc to get more heat and penetration? Because the arc diameter grows so quickly with increased arc length, the long arc is so broad that it is ineffective at melting a concentrated spot, much of the heat is lost to the surroundings and to heating the general area around the weld.
 
#9 ·
Topdeadcenter said:
Weld a 1/2" bolt to the superstructure in a spot that won't weaken the structure. Put an "eye" on the ground cable end and nut that eye to the bolt with a lock washer.
May want to rethink.

If you dropped the stinger, and it began doing something it shouldn't and you couldn't reach it... and you couldn't make it to the switch on the machine.... it's a good idea to be able to pull the ground clamp free of the work.