new Everlast 210EXT won't start arc (AC TIG)

shovelon · Aug 14, 2018

lugweld said:
J. Akuhead has the torch on Positive. That's the one I am referring to. The torch depicted in the picture if you look carefully, is in the positive, and not the negative. Most likely he was welding stick at some point, or removed his torches and reconnected it wrong, forgetting to move it back to the negative torch. That will cause starting issues. This, unfortunately is common. Somewhere as a recent development, I've had a bunch of customers putting it in + for AC. I've had in the past, many people just startby putting it in the positive for AC and DC, saying they hook the "ground" to negative because that is the ground. I have to work with them to understand it isn't a ground but a work clamp in the truest sense of the word. It merely completes the circuit path. I haven't found the source of recent misinformation about changing to AC yet, but this is a fairly recent issue with a lot of people saying the "internet" said to put it on positive for AC. Not sure where that bit of information is found or occurring.

Good eye! Now I am trying to figure out what the AC arc start sequence would look like. Does reversing the polarity affect the balance on start. Could be. It should try to start, but then maybe it goes into default shutdown, IDK. Hmmm.

lugweld · Aug 17, 2018

Keep in mind that the HF has to flow through things like the table and through rust or scale and then to the work and to the tungsten when polarity is reversed. Polarity would affect the balance at the start depending upon how the unit was designed to start, whether on + or -. IIRC our's are designed to start on -. I'd have to double check that, but seems right from memory.

lmalcomb · Aug 26, 2018

Virgil5 said:
First things that springs to mind are a REFUND from Neverlast and a real welding machine from Lincoln or even Miller by ITW.

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kjemison1966 · Aug 26, 2018

Hmm... I have had my share of poor support from the Blue company.... Spent close to 6K on a new Synchrowave 250 TIG Runner DX .... Was kept in a clean environment and used 99% of the time on Aluminum.. I had approximately 150 hours of welding time on the machine. One day I turned it on, it displayed an error code. Shut it down and fired it back up.. code gone... made 2 welds and POP! ... Shut it down (obviously) ... I could smell the proverbial electric odor in the air, called Miller, worked with a tech for over an hour and they said it blew out a main board (not sure what the correct name of the board is) ... Anyway, I said is this covered under my warranty... he checked and said I was out of warranty by 2 weeks.. Ok,... "how much is the board?"... he says a around $1400 .... Hmmm... I told him that this machine has very low hours on it, it was not in a production environment and could he please work with me on the warranty... nope and that was the end of that. $6000.00 on a machine, around 150 hours of use maybe... and it eats up a $1400 circuit board...
So, now I have a Everlast PowerTIG 200DV ... I use it primarily for it's TIG functions.. I have $1200.00 tied up in this machine.. It works great! .. If I get 3 years out of it and it goes up in smoke, I am still way ahead of my old Blue machine that I had for 3 years and 2 weeks

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BTW I think I read somewhere that all machines are basically made in China now... Not sure if this is true ... anyone know for sure?
Have a great Sunday!

lugweld · Aug 26, 2018

kjemison1966 said:
Hmm... I have had my share of poor support from the Blue company.... Spent close to 6K on a new Synchrowave 250 TIG Runner DX .... Was kept in a clean environment and used 99% of the time on Aluminum.. I had approximately 150 hours of welding time on the machine. One day I turned it on, it displayed an error code. Shut it down and fired it back up.. code gone... made 2 welds and POP! ... Shut it down (obviously) ... I could smell the proverbial electric odor in the air, called Miller, worked with a tech for over an hour and they said it blew out a main board (not sure what the correct name of the board is) ... Anyway, I said is this covered under my warranty... he checked and said I was out of warranty by 2 weeks.. Ok,... "how much is the board?"... he says a around $1400 .... Hmmm... I told him that this machine has very low hours on it, it was not in a production environment and could he please work with me on the warranty... nope and that was the end of that. $6000.00 on a machine, around 150 hours of use maybe... and it eats up a $1400 circuit board...
So, now I have a Everlast PowerTIG 200DV ... I use it primarily for it's TIG functions.. I have $1200.00 tied up in this machine.. It works great! .. If I get 3 years out of it and it goes up in smoke, I am still way ahead of my old Blue machine that I had for 3 years and 2 weeks ...
BTW I think I read somewhere that all machines are basically made in China now... Not sure if this is true ... anyone know for sure?
Have a great Sunday!

This. A lot of our converts to Everlast are because of this very reason. People pretend it doesn't happen. I hear this story regularly when I talk to customers. The point is, that there are gaps in any warranty system, particularly when it expires.

But the cost of part replacement is the kicker. People often leave that fact out when they talk about anything but blue or red. Then you could have the same thing or different part go out and you are out of all that money again.

kjemison1966 · Aug 26, 2018

Mr. Lugweld, you were the one that helped me fix my Supercut 51P .. you were more than patient (spent about 30 min on the phone troubleshooting)... figured out that I made the mistake of applying too much input pressure on the regulator (notice ... "I" made the mistake... I was in a hurry to play with the machine and did not read the manual thouroghly!.. it was not the products fault!)... purchased a new regulator, it arrived in a few days and the machine works as advertised! ... With that being said, I was on hold for maybe 2 minutes waiting for you. In my book, that is very good service and support!
Thanks again for helping and I am looking at one of your MIG machines (Power I-MIG 200E) ... It will be an asset to my little shop!
Have a great Sunday!

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