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230V wiring question

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#1 ·
I have a question pertaining to the 230V 20A circuit that I'm installing for my Miller 150 TIG. I'm using a hubbell HBL2323 twist lock plug and I'm concerned about getting the polarity right. The breaker does not indicate which pole gets the white or black wire so does it matter in this case? The reason I'm asking is that the table on the plug package indicates this;

White screw; Grounded circuit connector, neutral (white or grey)
Brass/Black screw; Ungrounded curcuit connector (NOT white, NOT green)

Of course I have the bare wire from the recepticle/box to ground in the breaker panel, and since the white does not go to common, does it matter what the orientation of the white & black wire are?

Thanks in advance
 
Discussion starter · #3 ·
Ok, thanks - thats what I thought. When I make a pigtail (230v to 115v) as this is an earlier multi- voltage, dedicated plug machine, I will have to worry about polarity....correct?
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
HELP!

I wired up the 230v circuit and put a 230V plug on the welder. The manual states that even though the welder does not have the autoline plugs (this model was before the current with the switchable plug set), it does have the autoline circuitry. It still works with the 115V pigtail that I've made (through the new 230V plug) but not at all when directly plugged into the 230 outlet.

The manual says, the it must be a 230vac grounded recepticle....to which it is (three wires, 2 poles and one ground)

Any ideas? I'm wondering if the welder has a faulty auto-line curcuit
 
Discussion starter · #8 ·
The plug on the welder was a 115 volt plug, right?

Then all you needed to do is plug it in to a 115 volt outlet and it worked, right?

Then you took the 115 volt plug off and installed a 230 volt plug, right?

Then plug it into a 230 volt outlet and it should work.

If you want to have it to work on both then you should not have taken off the 115 volt plug. Just made a pigtail with a 115 volt outlet on a 230 volt plug

You can't go from 230 to 115 volt unless you are useing a 4 wire cable and plugs
thanks -
I took the 115v plug off the welder and installed a 230v. I then made a 230 to 115v pigtail. It works on the 115 outlet, but not the 230. The machine is suppoesed to run on either.
 
Discussion starter · #10 · (Edited)
thanks - thats what I was begining to wonder. Have you any idea if this is repairable on these machines and if so, at what cost?

I checked the poles at the outlet with my volt meter. from live pole to live pole, I got a zero reading.
From each live pole to ground, I got 115v. does this sound right?
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
If you test it from hot to hot it should be 230v, From ground to #1 hot 115v and ground to #2 hot 115v

Check your braker it may be pluged in wrong
awesome, I will check that. I thought that was odd
 
Discussion starter · #14 ·
If you are using a 1" breaker you need to move it up or down 1/2 space in the panel to get 240V. If you are using a "twin" breaker you will not get 240V. Does your breaker have 2 slots in it where it connects to the bus? Is it a GE or Federal Pacific?
Thanks very much, this is exactly what I did wrong. I looked at the other 2 pole breakers, and they are installed as you mentioned. I had the whole upper row empty, and I simply placed the breaker to the far left. Moving it 1/2 space (or one single breaker space) over di the trick

thanks again everyone.